Star Class a Joke

[harvyk]

... I could conceivably argue that ANY airline without true lie flat seats shouldn't use the label "Business Class"...:mrgreen:

Don't think I'd get very far wid dat!

Well here is the thing. Until recently lie flat seats where the domain of F class only. J class simply gave a bigger seat and more seat pitch, but where far from lie flat (slanted or true). AFAIK it's only been in the last few years that J class has been anything more than larger seats.

Besides do you really need lie flat seats between SYD and MEL?

 

[anat0l]

I don't see why; Jetstar push it as being a business class product at an economy fare when it isn't really equal in quality to other international business class products

Advertised as Premium Economy and it would be much more fair an advert

In that light, I would wholeheartedly like to put to the table that domestic First for every airline in the US is a sham. That is not First class by any strength or means. Short-haul regional on some Asian carriers that have First class in them - that is First. Definitely puts the US domestic "equivalent" to shame as a poor excuse.

But it's there and there's not much that's going to change. Just be sure not to blow your QFF points on a domestic US award

 

[docjames]

Surely this thread illustrates it is not what the thing is called, but what it offers for the $$$.

Let them call it what they like, and change less $$$ than QF, as it's an inferior seat but they charge less for it.


Are we going to complain that all "Economy" seats arent the same and should have different names?

 

[Aussie_flyer]

I agree with a few others, Jetstar should stop using the line 'International Business Class' when they advertise the product, and just leave it as StarClass. I don't know of any international (long haul) business class where you get a plastic cup and eat from an aluminium foil box.

 

[straitman]

Assuming you mean domestic product, the seating is closeish but meal/service wise CO domestic F of that time was definitely better. Continental had a v nice International 1st product which is nowhere near similar. Star Class is closer to parity with COs international business class of that period but COs product was more comfortable and the meals were better

I mean International. The last time I flew that was in 1987 and the seating was not dissimilar to StarClass. There was of course more space and a fuller service but the comfort levels were my discussion reference.

I think that StarClass ( and BA WT+ , QF PE etc ) are a good option to offer and if not wanting to pay for business/1st a good way of getting reasonably decent comfort but for a typically much lower cost than business

Agreed

I do dislike the way JQ pushes it in their advertising as being a business class which I feel is pretty misleading

Dave

As others have said there is no definition of 'Business Class' so therefore anyone can say anything. It is not business class as we like to know it but it is JQ's business class.

 

[drron]

I agree with a few others, Jetstar should stop using the line 'International Business Class' when they advertise the product, and just leave it as StarClass. I don't know of any international (long haul) business class where you get a plastic cup and eat from an aluminium foil box.

On Air France my champagne in J was served in a plastic glass.:shock::shock:

 

[drron]

Surely this thread illustrates it is not what the thing is called, but what it offers for the $$$.

Let them call it what they like, and change less $$$ than QF, as it's an inferior seat but they charge less for it.


Are we going to complain that all "Economy" seats arent the same and should have different names?

Spot on doc.I really dont understand this obsession with names.Yes AA domestic first class isnt an international standard-but it isnt that much different from domestic premium cabins in Europe and Australia.It is basically priced the same and if you belong to QFF the only difference is you get F SCs instead of J-do you really want it renamed?

 

[anat0l]

On Air France my champagne in J was served in a plastic glass.:shock::shock:

I flew BA First and all my cutlery was plastic - spoon and fork included.

 

[straitman]

I flew BA First and all my cutlery was plastic - spoon and fork included.

Was that just for you though :?: Did everyone else get metal cutlery :?:

:shock:

 

[anat0l]

Was that just for you though :?: Did everyone else get metal cutlery :?:

:shock:

Just for me? Oh please, I'm not that special.

No, the entire cabin had them. Although to my fault, I never asked why. (I could possibly understand the plastic knife, but the rest...)

 

[NYCguy]

On Air France my champagne in J was served in a plastic glass.:shock::shock:

Yes, this is another sign of AFs inexorable slide toward being a Gallic Ryanair.

The first time I get served a drink in plastic in the F cabin will mark my last flight with AF.

 

[Dave Noble]

In that light, I would wholeheartedly like to put to the table that domestic First for every airline in the US is a sham. That is not First class by any strength or means. Short-haul regional on some Asian carriers that have First class in them - that is First. Definitely puts the US domestic "equivalent" to shame as a poor excuse.

But Domestic First in the USA is fairly similar across carriers for domestic US travel. That , to me , is the difference with Jetstar. Advertised as an international business class it is not close to parity imo with other business classes

Dave

 

[Dave Noble]

I mean International. The last time I flew that was in 1987 and the seating was not dissimilar to StarClass. There was of course more space and a fuller service but the comfort levels were my discussion reference.

In the late 80s 1st class on the 747 on CO was 2x2 layout in the nose section with a 60" pitch and a decent recline with a bar / newspapers in the middle where 5EF were in J on the 743s

They also served meals where they carved the meat at the table and was a 7 course meal on the LGW-IAH run on CO5 including sorbet at course 4

CO Business Class at the time was ( on the 747 ) a 2x3x2 layout downstairs and 2x2 upstairs with a 40" seat pitch

Dave

 

[trooper]

I really don't want to give this any visibilty.. (Paranoia strikes deep and all....)

BUT.... I must say I am regularly flabbergasted by complaints about US Domestic First.. seats, food, even being called "First" etc... when we as a group benefit mightily from the current labelling...

Why else all the threads about SC runs????

Would you prefer it to be called something else.. and credit accordingly?:shock:

 

[Dave Noble]

Would you prefer it to be called something else.. and credit accordingly?:shock:

I would prefer it to be called something else and priced accordingly , yup; plus if wanting to do a redemption means that can get it for a reasonable price

Dave

 

[straitman]

In the late 80s 1st class on the 747 on CO was 2x2 layout in the nose section with a 60" pitch and a decent recline with a bar / newspapers in the middle where 5EF were in J on the 743s

No disagreement from me.

They also served meals where they carved the meat at the table and was a 7 course meal on the LGW-IAH run on CO5 including sorbet at course 4

The SYD-LAX flights I did certainly did not have 7 course meals carved at the table.

CO Business Class at the time was ( on the 747 ) a 2x3x2 layout downstairs and 2x2 upstairs with a 40" seat pitch

Dave

Thanks, but I have no idea about that as I never really looked at the business or economy cabins.

 

[anat0l]

I really don't want to give this any visibilty.. (Paranoia strikes deep and all....)

BUT.... I must say I am regularly flabbergasted by complaints about US Domestic First.. seats, food, even being called "First" etc... when we as a group benefit mightily from the current labelling...

Why else all the threads about SC runs????

Why be flabbergasted?

With the exception of the SC part (and that's mainly for the benefit of QFF and BAEC only), the rest is of not much worth.

 

[Dave Noble]

No disagreement from me.

I wouldn't say that 60" pitch sleeper seats is similar to Starclass

The SYD-LAX flights I did certainly did not have 7 course meals carved at the table.

I never flew on CO1 or 2 so no idea what service they provided on that route but the Transatlantic service to Houston was v nice

I would say that StarClass is comparable seating wise to CO's business class of the time but CO 1st seating was quite a way ahead imo

Dave

 

[straitman]

I wouldn't say that 60" pitch sleeper seats is similar to Starclass

I have already said above that I was not referring to seat pitch in my comparison.

I never flew on CO1 or 2 so no idea what service they provided on that route but the Transatlantic service to Houston was v nice

I would say that StarClass is comparable seating wise to CO's business class of the time but CO 1st seating was quite a way ahead imo

Dave

We will have to agree to disagree on that one then.

 

[JohnK]

Surely this thread illustrates it is not what the thing is called, but what it offers for the $$$.

Let them call it what they like, and change less $$$ than QF, as it's an inferior seat but they charge less for it.

Yes and no. "StarClass" and "International business class" do not really indicate the true nature of the product.

Are we going to complain that all "Economy" seats arent the same and should have different names?

I think some airlines should rename their economy product to economy minus then you really know what you are getting. :shock: