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cssaus

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Has anyone looked into the ability of being able to use miles on one *A FF program to upgrade on another *A carrier?

Curious to know what booking classes this might apply to if you were wanting to say use UAMP miles to upgrade on a SQ flt.
 

Kiwi Flyer

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cssaus said:
Has anyone looked into the ability of being able to use miles on one *A FF program to upgrade on another *A carrier?

Curious to know what booking classes this might apply to if you were wanting to say use UAMP miles to upgrade on a SQ flt.
So far only LH, SQ and NH are participating in the scheme. Not particular generous terms. Each FFP can set its own mileage requirements.

So far it seems to be only mid to high economy fare class and the usual business fare classes, no waitlist but if space available is confirmable in advance.
 

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One of the regional UA sites actually mentions the impending introduction of *A upgrades for UAMP members, but there's no actual date stated (sorry, I can't remember which site it was). Given the relatively low mileage required for some upgrades on UA metal, the *A upgrades will probably be a bit of a shock.
 

BlacKnox

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cssaus said:
Has anyone looked into the ability of being able to use miles on one *A FF program to upgrade on another *A carrier?
Yes, and due to the limited fare categories (e.g. For NH it's Y/B only or C/D respectively) and expensive redemption costs, the practice (although a good idea) has limited appeal for me.

Kiwi Flyer said:
So far only LH, SQ and NH are participating in the scheme. Not particular generous terms. Each FFP can set its own mileage requirements.
Also OS (Austrian) and LO (LOT Polish airlines) are now participating.

Kiwi Flyer said:
So far it seems to be only mid to high economy fare class and the usual business fare classes, no waitlist but if space available is confirmable in advance.
Also redemption is limited by codeshare restrictions.

IMHO there are better ways to use your points.
 

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aspro2 said:
One of the regional UA sites actually mentions the impending introduction of *A upgrades for UAMP members, but there's no actual date stated (sorry, I can't remember which site it was). Given the relatively low mileage required for some upgrades on UA metal, the *A upgrades will probably be a bit of a shock.
Other *A carriers are scheduled to join the scheme in summer 2006 (northern hemisphere) meaning July/ August this year.
 

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BlacKnox said:
cssaus said:
Has anyone looked into the ability of being able to use miles on one *A FF program to upgrade on another *A carrier?
Yes, and due to the limited fare categories (e.g. For NH it's Y/B only or C/D respectively) and expensive redemption costs, the practice (although a good idea) has limited appeal for me.

Kiwi Flyer said:
So far only LH, SQ and NH are participating in the scheme. Not particular generous terms. Each FFP can set its own mileage requirements.
Also OS (Austrian) and LO (LOT Polish airlines) are now participating.

Kiwi Flyer said:
So far it seems to be only mid to high economy fare class and the usual business fare classes, no waitlist but if space available is confirmable in advance.
Also redemption is limited by codeshare restrictions.

IMHO there are better ways to use your points.
Sorry LH was short hand for Miles and More. To be pedantic it is LH, OS, LO, OU, JP (and from 1 April also LX). However Air One, Air Dolmiti and other LH-affiliates are not included AFAIK.

On Miles and More the upgrades are ridiculously expensive - sounds like it is also for ANA Diamond Club.

Its not too bad on Kris Flyer.

I expect Mileage Plus will be the best of the lot, and indeed I am mulling over whether or not I should earn miles there. I suspect I wont - if only because availability of SQ upgrades will be less than using Kris Flyer miles.
 

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BlacKnox said:
aspro2 said:
One of the regional UA sites actually mentions the impending introduction of *A upgrades for UAMP members, but there's no actual date stated (sorry, I can't remember which site it was). Given the relatively low mileage required for some upgrades on UA metal, the *A upgrades will probably be a bit of a shock.
Other *A carriers are scheduled to join the scheme in summer 2006 (northern hemisphere) meaning July/ August this year.
Thats the first time I've seen a specific date given for the other *A FFPs joining the *A mileage upgrade program. Thanks.
 

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Kiwi Flyer said:
Sorry LH was short hand for Miles and More. To be pedantic it is LH, OS, LO, OU, JP (and from 1 April also LX).
You are right in that 5 are now participating, but I'm not sure where OU and JP comes from :? . AFAIK between our two replys the list is exhaustive, being LH, OS, LO, SQ and NH.

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However Air One, Air Dolmiti and other LH-affiliates are not included AFAIK.
Yes, awards cannot be used for code share flights operated by other airlines. AND awards cannot be used for code share carrying other airlines operated by LH, OS, LO, SQ and NH.
 

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OU and JP are the regional *A members Adria Airlines and Croatia Airlines, or perhaps the other way around. Anyway they belong to Miles and More and participate fully in the upgrade scheme. Of course they only have shorthaul flights so whether or not it is worthwhile is another matter.
 

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Kiwi Flyer said:
OU and JP are the regional *A members Adria Airlines and Croatia Airlines, or perhaps the other way around. Anyway they belong to Miles and More and participate fully in the upgrade scheme.
Can't redeem upgrade awards on OU & JP in the NH program (though this may change in summer). Or perhaps regional airline upgrades will only be offered by some *A FFPs, or even limited exclusively to sponsoring airlines (e.g. LH allowing OU & JP upgrades) :?:

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Thats the first time I've seen a specific date given for the other *A FFPs joining the *A mileage upgrade program. Thanks.
Had lunch Saturday with a NH department manager. He mentioned *A upgrade award info was already on the NH web-site. I checked this morning and indeed it was - not sure when it was loaded.
 

clifford

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I expect Mileage Plus will be the best of the lot said:
Not sure where you're coming from Kiwi, my friend.

As you know, I am UA MM and never have a problem getting SQ redemptions (I am flying SIN-CMB-SIN bus class in May on mileage plus redemptions - 30,000 miles).

Tell me where you can do better.

:)
 

cssaus

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clifford said:
Kiwi Flyer said:
I expect Mileage Plus will be the best of the lot said:
Not sure where you're coming from Kiwi, my friend.

As you know, I am UA MM and never have a problem getting SQ redemptions (I am flying SIN-CMB-SIN bus class in May on mileage plus redemptions - 30,000 miles).

Tell me where you can do better.

:)
You're right getting award tickets has never really been a problem using UA MP miles but what we're talking about here is the ability to use say UA MP miles to get an upgrade on say a SQ flt, something which you presently haven't been able to do.
 

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Its well known that SQ has better award and upgrade availability for Kris Flyer than for partner FFPs. I dont expect the *A upgrade scheme to be any different.

Its good you can get awards for the dates and routes you want on SQ. Not every is as lucky.
 
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