Second Sydney Airport

[kamchatsky]

Given the second airport is a political nightmare, it would probably be better to:

- Move all the ports at Banksmeadow/Port Botany to Kurnell, build a freeway from M5 East/Southern Cross Drive to Kurnell via La Perouse (tunnel under sea).
- Fill up land at Botany Bay around the SYD and put more terminals/runways there. Minimise additional infrastructure.


Not the best solution but then again Badgerys Creek was the best solution for decades and no one wants to do it.

 

[oz_mark]

Looks like the federal government is pressing ahead....

The federal government is to investigate Wilton as a site for a second Sydney airport despite the NSW government's opposition to the project.

Federal Transport Minister Anthony Albanese announced in a statement on Tuesday the government will initiate a "detailed investigation into the suitability of Wilton".

It will involve preliminary economic, social and environmental studies into the site on Sydney's southwestern fringe.

"The government is committed to increasing Sydney's aviation capacity in a bipartisan and consultative manner," Mr Albanese said.

Wilton investigated as Sydney airport site

 

[docjames]

I vote yes, but there needs to be a mass transit/rapid connection between the two.

 

[eastwest101]

I vote yes, but there needs to be a mass transit/rapid connection between the two.

This is why I voted no - as it seems no government will ever be capable of delivering an efficient mass transit system between the two or anywhere for that matter due to NIMBYism. Better off reconfiguring and expanding the existing Kingsford-Smith site to make it work better and more efficiently.

 

[The Rok]

SYD really needs to do what LHR did 20 years ago. If you can't go out, and you can't go up ----- GO DOWN. Start digging to shift as much baggage handling and facilities services under ground to free up space above ground for expansion. It would be an expensive job but surely cheaper that purchasing land and building a totally new airport and then having to staff that airport? SYD does not really need that much more room.

With all the genius engineers and architects Australia has that create ingenious solutions for our booming mining industry surely we have the skills and creativity to make Kingsford Smith work effectively?

 

[Awesom Andy]

It takes about 1/2 hour to get from the city centre to the airport in SYD, MEL, and BNE. You also need to be there an hour or so for check-in, and the flight is about an hour.

If we build a high-speed rail that would get from SYD-MEL in about 3/4 hours, and perhaps just around the 4-hour mark for SYD-BNE, there would surely be an increase in slots, especially during the morning peak hour which can then be used by all of south-east Asia who wants to get to SYD at that time of the day.

 

[SeatBackForward]

That would be the best option - but there isn't any room left...

There is actually a whole lot of room, The only problem is that its only available between 11pm and 6am.

 

[moa999]

And the arbitrary movement cap of 80/hour.
Removing that would create more capacity, although you would also want to move some of the littler jets - the differences in takeoff speeds and wash does impede movement.

 

[ozmille]

As I live 10 minutes from the airport in SYD my destination is SYD, I would not want my flight arriving in CBR and then having to take a train for a couple of hours. But this is just personal... YMMV

I always thought the idea of an extra runway in Botany Bay was an interesting one.

 

[markis10]

Richmond is now looking likely!

Domestic airport prospects loom at Richmond - Local News - News - General - Hawkesbury Gazette

The Joint Study on aviation capacity for the Sydney region, compiled by an independent steering committee of government and industry experts, has also been presented to the federal government as part of the discussion over expanding airfields in the Sydney basin.
It said RAAF Richmond could be modernised for as little as $150
million to handle around a million passengers a year. If $500 million was spent on upgrading runways and facilities then five million passengers could be arriving at or leaving Richmond every year.
And the RAAF, which in the past has not weighed into the debate, is now on the side of sharing its facilities with domestic passengers.
“The RAAF supports opening up the Richmond base to civil access, as it is compatible with its plans for a reduced presence and would extend the life of the RAAF base at the location,” the authors of the Joint Study said.

 

[kamchatsky]

Oh please. Who is going to Richmond to catch a flight when infrastructure is not there, and not to mention the fog around there?!

 

[kamchatsky]

In fact, now that Caltex is planning to shutdown the oil refinery at Kurnell, it is the perfect place to either build the second airport, or move the ports facilities at Botany Bay to Kurnell, and expand Kingsford Smith.

 

[SeatBackForward]

Oh please. Who is going to Richmond to catch a flight when infrastructure is not there, and not to mention the fog around there?!

Not that I support Richmond as a 2nd Airport, however, there is an existing heavy rail line that goes alongside the airbase, that could easily be developed into a greater frequency line (and unlike the existing Airport Rail lin - will provide near empty trains to arriving passengers!). There is also plenty of room to upgrade any required roads to link into the Sydney network.

But the fog yes...

 

[markis10]

Given it takes 10 years to build an airport, I would suggest Richmond makes a lot of sense.

 

[samh004]

In fact, now that Caltex is planning to shutdown the oil refinery at Kurnell, it is the perfect place to either build the second airport, or move the ports facilities at Botany Bay to Kurnell, and expand Kingsford Smith.

That seems like a good idea, the way the facilities are laid out now means that a terminal there could connect to the existing runway 34, however the next runway looks like it’d jut out too far into the bay and block access. The Royal National Park looks like a good spot too

But there’s a few 'defence restricted areas' around Sydney, would seem easier to just take one of them. They’re big clear patches, perfect for an airport.

 

[docjames]

In fact, now that Caltex is planning to shutdown the oil refinery at Kurnell, it is the perfect place to either build the second airport, or move the ports facilities at Botany Bay to Kurnell, and expand Kingsford Smith.

Not that I support Richmond as a 2nd Airport, however, there is an existing heavy rail line that goes alongside the airbase, that could easily be developed into a greater frequency line (and unlike the existing Airport Rail lin - will provide near empty trains to arriving passengers!). There is also plenty of room to upgrade any required roads to link into the Sydney network.

But the fog yes...

Richmond AFB and Using the land at Kernell to me are the two "best" solutions.

Which means neither will be selected....

 

[Awesom Andy]

Richmond? So the travel time from the city to the airport would be longer than the actual flight to CBR/MEL/BNE?

 

[Major]

Richmond? So the travel time from the city to the airport would be longer than the actual flight to CBR/MEL/BNE?

Except the morning winter flights when you are still in a holding pattern waiting for the fog to lift

 

[pat25d]

Richmond? So the travel time from the city to the airport would be longer than the actual flight to CBR/MEL/BNE?

The travel time for a lot of people in Sydney is already longer than flights to those destinations.

 

[markis10]

Oh please. Who is going to Richmond to catch a flight when infrastructure is not there, and not to mention the fog around there?!

BTW A cat 3 ILS solves the fog problem, and it's cheap by comparison to the alternates! You cannot put one of those in at SYD or kernnel!