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Dave Noble said:
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I have also seen actual examples. Dave Noble has the correct interpretation (unfortunately).

Good to see you agreeing, but I would contend that there is nothing to interpret and that it is clearly defined

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Indeed. It is both the intention and the definition as written by Qantas. There is only one possible interpretation of the information presented by Qantas.
 

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Dave Noble said:
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I have also seen actual examples. Dave Noble has the correct interpretation (unfortunately).

Good to see you agreeing, but I would contend that there is nothing to interpret and that it is clearly defined

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Dave you are correct, in my mea culpa I'll express the fact that I've had a tiring fortnight. :?

I have fallen for this trap before, forgetting the other part of the T&C that appears to overrule the table.

As far as "clearly defined" goes, yes it is. In both places and in some cases it appears contradictory. Yet, it is not. The table relates to point earning, even though the sentence "Status Credits are earned on all eligible booking classes." appears often. "Discount Economy" only appears in those cases where it is not a one for one earn and is PURELY in relation to frequent flyer point earning.

SC's are earned in relation to the page in relation to Status Credits
 

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serfty said:
As far as "clearly defined" goes, yes it is. In both places and in some cases it appears contradictory. Yet, it is not. The table relates to point earning, even though the sentence "Status Credits are earned on all eligible booking classes." appears often. "Discount Economy" only appears in those cases where it is not a one for one earn and is PURELY in relation to frequent flyer point earning.

SC's are earned in relation to the page in relation to Status Credits
I do not see anything contradictory. The Airline Earning Table is for Qantas Frequent Flyer Point. The reference to SCs in that table, as referenced in section 19.1.3(a) is to define while fare types are eligible for SC earning. There is not mention of the SC earning rate, just the eligibility for earning. The only place the earning rate is mentioned is in the section already quoted above that shows the SC earning table and defines the terms "Full Economy" and "Discount Economy" for the purpose of SC earning. No contradiction there.

In fact, Qantas has continued to make this clearer and clearer with more recent itterations of their published information.
 

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NM said:
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... and in some cases it appears contradictory. Yet, it is not. ...
I do not see anything contradictory. The Airline Earning Table is for Qantas Frequent Flyer Point. The reference to SCs in that table, as referenced in section 19.1.3(a) is to define while fare types are eligible for SC earning. There is not mention of the SC earning rate, just the eligibility for earning. The only place the earning rate is mentioned is in the section already quoted above that shows the SC earning table and defines the terms "Full Economy" and "Discount Economy" for the purpose of SC earning. No contradiction there.

In fact, Qantas has continued to make this clearer and clearer with more recent itterations of their published information.
I did not post they were contradictory, in fact the opposite!
 
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Much clearer now...

I guess my confusion stems from reading each table in an isolated fashion.

So the key for me is:
International flights, full SC earn is for ALL Y class tickets only.
 

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I had this exact arguement with QF due to two sectors posting for different amounts of SC and same number of points on AY.

I flew a LHR-HEL sector in L class on AY and allowed the points to be automatically poosted, and a couple of days later, received Full Economy SC.

A couple of days later, I flew HEL-BCN in L class on AY but didn't have my FF number in (this was done on purpose). Later on in the year, I credited the flight and received discount economy SC.

Of course, I took this up with QF and found someone who agreed with me that this was odd, and that the definition on the FF Earning parge is a little open for mis-interpretation.

In the end, I didn't get the extra SC, but I did get comped to WP at 1380 SC for the year!

D P G from Istanbul
 

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I have had 6 L class flights on Finnair so far and every one has posted as Discount Economy SC's. Someone must have made a mistake when they gave you Full Economy SC's for your flight.
 

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Man, I have always been under the impression that the 'Airline Earning Table' meant exactly that, and 'Cabin Class' referred to 'Cabin Class for Status Credits'. Apparently, I didn't have my QF goggles on...

So Intl carrier's should be something like

All Economy Class -Discount Economy - 1
Full Y - Economy - 1
DIJ - Business - 1 - 25%
AFP - First - 1 - 50%


I don't understand why they actually have a 'cabin class' list then, because if you travel in economy, your actually in discount economy 99.9% of the time. J and F are pretty self explanatory.

They seam to have 'discount economy's to advise you that it doesn't get full QFF points, but looking 1cm right, you see a 0.5 base or whatever, so im sure any normal person could work this out.

Might be worth them spending next year's IT budget with replacing "Cabin Class" with "Cabin Class for SC's" and placing useful information in the column that actually refer's to the 'Status Credit table'.

Just an idea....

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All Economy Class -Discount Economy - 1
Full Y - Economy - 1
DIJ - Business - 1 - 25%
AFP - First - 1 - 50%


I don't understand why they actually have a 'cabin class' list then, because if you travel in economy, your actually in discount economy 99.9% of the time. J and F are pretty self explanatory.

No.

For the airline partners, discount economy refers to the classes where full mileage earning is not available. On LA, all mileage eligable fares earn the full rate and so there is no discount economy listed

Take SK, as an example, and GKLTUW are listed as discount economy since they earn only 25% mileage and with AA GLMNSV are listed as discount economy since they earn 50%. This is not related to SC earning which internationally only has Y earning full rate with all other eligable economy fares earning discount rate.

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Dave Noble said:
No.

For the airline partners, discount economy refers to the classes where full mileage earning is not available. On LA, all mileage eligable fares earn the full rate and so there is no discount economy listed

Take SK, as an example, and GKLTUW are listed as discount economy since they earn only 25% mileage and with AA GLMNSV are listed as discount economy since they earn 50%. This is not related to SC earning which internationally only has Y earning full rate with all other eligable economy fares earning discount rate.

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SK isnt a good example as you dont earn SC's, but I understand what your saying.
My grip is on the surface it looks like you earn full SC's where it says economy.
With the AA example, it should really be

GLMNSV - Discount Economy - 0.5
BHK - Discount Economy - 1.0
Y - Economy - 1.0
DIJ - Business - 1.0 - 25%
AFP - First - 1.0 - 50%

That way the class cabin row, matches up with the SC's table.
Im no rocket scientist, but I believe in K.I.S.S.

Other reason why this p-sses me off is I was just about the book a EI flight over other carriers cause I thought I would get full Y SC's.

Grrrrr.
Anyway, thanks for clearing this up.... ( As Always :) )
 

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robertz said:
My grip is on the surface it looks like you earn full SC's where it says economy.
With the AA example, it should really be

GLMNSV - Discount Economy - 0.5
BHK - Discount Economy - 1.0
Y - Economy - 1.0
DIJ - Business - 1.0 - 25%
AFP - First - 1.0 - 50%

That way the class cabin row, matches up with the SC's table.
Im no rocket scientist, but I believe in K.I.S.S.

Other reason why this p-sses me off is I was just about the book a EI flight over other carriers cause I thought I would get full Y SC's.

Grrrrr.
Anyway, thanks for clearing this up.... ( As Always :) )
Please go back and read my previous rambling post on this topic, and note that the Airline Earning Table is ONLY referring to Qantas Frequent Flyer Points earning rates. That table does NOT define the SC earning rates. The only reference to SC earning in the notes on the Airline Earning Table is regarding which fare types are ELIGIBLE for earning SCs, not how many SCs they earn.

The Cabin Bonus is only referring to the Qantas Frequent Flyer Points bonus for flying in business class or first class cabins. The reference to Cabin Bonus in this table has nothing whatsoever to do with SC earning.

Did you really think that Qantas would award full economy SCs for a cheap fare on EI? What possible reason could Qantas have for awarding more SCs for a cheap fare on EI that they would on their own flight where they have more control over the revenue? I cannot understand why anyone would believe they would earn more SCs on a cheap partner airline flight than on a QF flight, especially when the SC earning table clearly states this not to be the case.
 

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robertz said:
... That way the class cabin row, matches up with the SC's table.
Im no rocket scientist, but I believe in K.I.S.S. ...
Actually Qantas have tried to keep it simple, but the mention of SC's within the table can lead one astray ( :? ). Please read my earlier mea culpa post within this thread, an excerpt of which follows with some bolding added.
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... As far as "clearly defined" goes, yes it is. In both places and in some cases it appears contradictory. Yet, it is not. The table relates to point earning, even though the sentence "Status Credits are earned on all eligible booking classes." appears often. "Discount Economy" only appears in those cases where it is not a one for one earn and is PURELY in relation to frequent flyer point earning. ...
Where SC's might be earned when travelling on a particular airline, this is indicated by the line: "Status Credits are earned on all eligible booking classes.". All this means is that you may earn SC's for travel in that airline but such SC earning is only in relation to the information noted here: Status Credits
 

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serfty said:
robertz said:
... That way the class cabin row, matches up with the SC's table.
Im no rocket scientist, but I believe in K.I.S.S. ...
Actually Qantas have tried to keep it simple, but the mention of SC's within the table can lead one astray ( :? ). Please read my earlier mea culpa post within this thread, an excerpt of which follows with some bolding added.
serfty said:
... As far as "clearly defined" goes, yes it is. In both places and in some cases it appears contradictory. Yet, it is not. The table relates to point earning, even though the sentence "Status Credits are earned on all eligible booking classes." appears often. "Discount Economy" only appears in those cases where it is not a one for one earn and is PURELY in relation to frequent flyer point earning. ...
Where SC's might be earned when travelling on a particular airline, this is indicated by the line: "Status Credits are earned on all eligible booking classes.". All this means is that you may earn SC's for travel in that airline but such SC earning is only in relation to the information noted here: Status Credits


All i'm saying is to a normal person (non-AFF or FT and me!!) :) you would read the statement "Status Credits are earned on all eligible booking classes. then match up the cabin class with the SC's table. Since there isn't such a thing as a 'Discount Economy' cabin on a plane, and the only place on the site where 'Discount Economy' is mentioned is on the SC's table.

I understand they are 2 separate schemes but when they added the words they created a logical reference between the 2.

QF have actually done what im saying with their table ie
BHK (International) - Discount Economy - 1

If they believed the 2 tables are totally unrelated then this should have been
BHK (International) - Economy - 1

Just bringing up, it could be a less complicated method of addressing the relationship between QFF points and the amount of SC's earned rather than having in small print that 99.9% of the time you don't earn economy SC's for flights outside AUS.

Anyway.....
Rob
 

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My four trips to Santiago have all been booked on QF flights and as a result I have earned the dicount economy SCs. On the last occasion I had to change flights and come back with a stopover in AKL. This was a LAN marketed flight but I still only had 40 SCs credited. Discussions with my work colleagues all gave the same response that discount economy credits are awarded.

Another trick for the unwary is that they don't give you your points status bonus unless you make a song and dance about it. So check your balance and if you are only given the base points get on the blower to the QF people who make some excuse but still arrange the for the additional points to be credited at a later date.
 

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sully said:
My four trips to Santiago have all been booked on QF flights and as a result I have earned the dicount economy SCs. On the last occasion I had to change flights and come back with a stopover in AKL. This was a LAN marketed flight but I still only had 40 SCs credited. Discussions with my work colleagues all gave the same response that discount economy credits are awarded.

Another trick for the unwary is that they don't give you your points status bonus unless you make a song and dance about it. So check your balance and if you are only given the base points get on the blower to the QF people who make some excuse but still arrange the for the additional points to be credited at a later date.

If you were booked on a LA flight number then they are quite correct in not crediting the status bonus since no status bonus applies when travelling on carriers other than QF,JQ,AA and BA. On economy flights other than QF domestic in Australia, only Y fare bases are eligable for full economy SC earning.


QFF T&Cs said:
9.5.2 A Status Bonus will be applied for Eligible Flights with a Qantas, Jetstar, American Airlines® or British Airways flight number. The Status Bonus for Silver Members will be 25% of the Base Rate, 50% for Gold Members and 100% for Platinum Members.

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Thanks Dave, so I got the additional points because I am a whinger then? Fair enough.
 
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