Safest airlines list.

[Quickstatus]

These are the 20 safest airlines in the world

Not sure about 6,7,14

Not sure about the basis for such ranking

 

[Must...Fly!]

Why aren't you sure about Qantas.

As for EY and EK being on the list. I suppose you wouldn't want to remove them and have any free seats that come your way dry up. Sorry, my cynicism is showing .

 

[Quickstatus]

Why aren't you sure about Qantas.

As for EY and EK being on the list. I suppose you wouldn't want to remove them and have any free seats that come your way dry up. Sorry, my cynicism is showing .

Really?. I think you are assuming wrong.

Have a look at EK207 JFK and EK521 and it’s low cost offshoot FZ It’s not necessarily the pilots - have a look a bit closer

EY operates the same jurisdiction.

QF in 14th below EK can’t see why. Maybe you can explain

 

[Must...Fly!]

Really?. I think you are assuming wrong.

Have a look at EK207 JFK and EK521 and it’s low cost offshoot FZ It’s not necessarily the pilots - have a look a bit closer

EY operates the same jurisdiction.

QF in 14th below EK can’t see why. Maybe you can explain

Perhaps my post was worded poorly. I agree that EY and EK shouldn't be regarded as "the safest". I regard them as safe, but far from models of safety to be followed.

As for QF being 14th, read closer, it's in alphabetical order. They didn't want to declare one winner. Maybe the free trips dried up in the past when they did.

 

[Quickstatus]

Perhaps my post was worded poorly. I agree that EY and EK shouldn't be regarded as "the safest". I regard them as safe, but far from models of safety to be followed.

As for QF being 14th, read closer, it's in alphabetical order. They didn't want to declare one winner. Maybe the free trips dried up in the past when they did.

Ah ok it’s in alphabetical order.
Not sure what you mean by free trips?

 

[Must...Fly!]

Ah ok it’s in alphabetical order.
Not sure what you mean by free trips?

As far as I am aware the individual that owns and runs that website has never worked in an airline or in any meaningful aviation operation.

He has, however, written for some magazines and sat in front of a camera. I'm unsure how this makes him an expert.

Happy to be proven wrong.

 

[jb747]

These are the 20 safest airlines in the world

Not sure about 6,7,14

Not sure about the basis for such ranking

It's an alphabetical ranking.

Silly really. If you increased the size to 50, then you get most of the majors on to it. The only one that I'd outright remove is EK. I'm surprised that more US majors don't get a look in. They might have indifferent service, but they generally know how to fly.

A marker that I use to tell me about a company's real safety is their response to any incidents. It they habitually cure issues by firing pilots involved, combined with "death by SOPs", then they have no idea.

 

[Quickstatus]

He has, however, written for some magazines and sat in front of a camera. I'm unsure how this makes him an expert.
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By definition journalists are experts.

 

[Must...Fly!]

I agree with jb747 and I also noticed the absence of missing US airlines. My guess is that they regard the higher use of subsidiaries/regional operators as a significant enough added risk, due to the number of incidents in the past? But personally wouldn't have a problem flying any of UA, AA, DL, AS, etc

I don't have a problem with the list really apart from the two I mentioned, and even then perhaps harsh on Etihad (heck I am flying with them next week). But the author is a suspect expert at best. He tends to toe the corporate line a lot.

As for EK, well, the A340 in Melbourne is still something I remember when considering my flight options...(and I didn't enjoy the flights I've had with them either really)

 

[Pleb Status]

How could BA make the list?

Sure, they have not killed anybody recently but they have had near misses. BA38 at LHR for one...

 

[Must...Fly!]

How could BA make the list?

Sure, they have not killed anybody recently but they have had near misses. BA38 at LHR for one...

Which was not in any way BA's fault and the crew did a good job in getting the aircraft down relatively safely, even if the aircraft never flew again.

EK's A340 incident on the other hand had nothing to do with the perfectly capable aircraft...

 

[Austman]

I hate these articles.

They can skew the statics in any almost way they want. Even the stated time periods since the last fatality vary from airline to airline. An agreed metric could be useful. Maybe PAX fatalities per flown km due to established negligence over the past X years?

Two of the airlines listed are in the all-time fatality records:

Aviation accidents and incidents - Wikipedia

On the ground: Tenerife disaster 1977, 583 PAX killed, involving KLM (just over 40 years ago, no wonder 40 years is mentioned for KLM).

In the air: JAL Flight 123 1985, 349 PAX killed, involving JAL (just over 30 years ago, no wonder 30 years is mentioned for JAL).

 

[juddles]

There are lies, then damn lies, then statistics......

 

[Pleb Status]

In these 'safety' ratings, how long does an airline have to wait to get its 'no claim bonus' back after an accident?

OJH went for 'a round of golf' in BKK less than twenty years ago...

 

[juddles]

In any case, apart from such trivia as the credentials of the author, and using "alphabetical" listings to not name a winner, at the end of the day the airline industry has made huge progress, and flying is a reasonably safe sport

 

[codash1099]

In any case, apart from such trivia as the credentials of the author, and using "alphabetical" listings to not name a winner, at the end of the day the airline industry has made huge progress, and flying is a reasonably safe sport

I agree. However, the list seems to rate safety on whether there has been a hull loss and whether there have been any fatalities. My idea of a safe airline extend beyond those two measures, but then I am an amateur.

 

[kestrel1977]

Hmmm very interesting list. Me been from Mauritius, i don't recall Air Mauritius having a fatality since founded and recently celebrated 50 years. I'm sure it will give a good run against most of the airlines on the "safest list".

 

[BAM1748]

Hmmm very interesting list. Me been from Mauritius, i don't recall Air Mauritius having a fatality since founded and recently celebrated 50 years. I'm sure it will give a good run against most of the airlines on the "safest list".

It is often measured by number of flights versus incidents, so while Air Mauritius may have never had a fatality compared to say the number of take offs of United Airlines it comes out statistically no better or even worse.

eg. Air Mauritius may have 5000 flights per year but if one of the big guys is having 5000 per day without incident Air Mauritius will never get a look in statistic wise and gets forgotten in the turbulence.

 

[kestrel1977]

It is often measured by number of flights versus incidents, so while Air Mauritius may have never had a fatality compared to say the number of take offs of United Airlines it comes out statistically no better or even worse.

eg. Air Mauritius may have 5000 flights per year but if one of the big guys is having 5000 per day without incident Air Mauritius will never get a look in statistic wise and gets forgotten in the turbulence.

That is informative. Are those figures official?. I understand the small airlines vs bigger airlines but when "years" have been mentioned/taken into account on the "safest airline" list then it defeats the purpose of putting an article like that out there.

Sorry for been abit ignorant but is there a "proper official" list of safest airlines? One where everything has/is taken into consideration.

 

[BAM1748]

No one site, suggested starting point for Euro information. One big problem is accurate data from places such as Africa, parts of Asia and South America to do anything on a world basis.

The EU Air Safety List - Mobility and Transport - European Commission