QF2 diversion to Baku

[Aussie_flyer]

'Can't exceed crew hours'. 'Diddums'. If they had been in a military aircraft they would have carried on until they had completed their flight. Time they were told to get a reality check in circumstances like this....

What an absurd comparison

 

[SYD]

If they had been in a military aircraft they would have carried on until they had completed their flight.

But they’re not military and shouldn’t be expected to operate as such - well, unless the cough has hit the fan.

 

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'Can't exceed crew hours'. 'Diddums'. If they had been in a military aircraft they would have carried on until they had completed their flight. Time they were told to get a reality check in circumstances like this....

I don’t think it needs to be binary, e.g. in the event of emergency where certain parameters are met, crew hours can be exceed by [10%].

The aviation industry have the a bunch of exemptions for curfews and landing rights too for emergencies

 

[Franky]

What an absurd comparison

No - just reality….

 

[theonewhojumps]

No - just reality….

Yes, definitely absurd. They are not military and as such, the reality is that they do not exceed crew duty hours, in cases such as a diversion to an airport for a medical emergency.

 

[burmans]

Someone on another forum was on the plane - sounds like a right PITA getting the visas

I’ve just been to Baku, getting the e-visa wasn’t that hard but took 3 days, they aren’t fast.

 

[burmans]

Not so much the incovenience factor - I reckon there's an argument there's a potential safety issue leaving 400 Aussies stranded in a foreign country they didn't expect to be dropped into, and where the airline has no direct oversight as to their welfare.

Having just been there I can assure you Azerbaijan is extremely safe!

 

[readyone]

Having just been there I can assure you Azerbaijan is extremely safe!

I'm sure it is, but things go wrong even in the safest of countries. My point is around the potential for mishap when you throw a bunch of tired and frustrated people into a strange environment where you (as the airline) have little control and no presence on the ground.

Even in the Virgin example where passengers had to ultimately sleep in the airport, they were reportedly in the process of preparing the aircraft to fly when the issue of crew hours put a stop to it. I just wonder how much consideration is given towards the safety and well-being of the offloaded passengers in these situations.

 

[theonewhojumps]

I'm sure it is, but things go wrong even in the safest of countries. My point is around the potential for mishap when you throw a bunch of tired and frustrated people into a strange environment where you (as the airline) have little control and no presence on the ground.

Even in the Virgin example where passengers had to ultimately sleep in the airport, they were reportedly in the process of preparing the aircraft to fly when the issue of crew hours put a stop to it. I just wonder how much consideration is given towards the safety and well-being of the offloaded passengers in these situations.

And if there is an accident because the crew is fatigued? It’s a lot safer to be sleeping in an airport than jumping down the slide from the top deck of an A380 in an evacuation. There is a reason why there are duty limits for crew.

 

[XWu]

Stupid question but it’s a 13.5hr flight between LHR and SIN, so I would assume there should be 2 sets of crews including pilots to make the flight legal for fatigue management? If so then where is the second crew?

 

[Warragul]

Stupid question but it’s a 13.5hr flight between LHR and SIN, so I would assume there should be 2 sets of crews including pilots to make the flight legal for fatigue management? If so then where is the second crew?

All the crew have the same sign in time, so the clock ticks the same presumedly. I believe QF crews normally consist of 1 captain, 2 First Officers and 1 Second Officer, so not quite 2 sets of crew in any event.

 

[AIRwin]

jumping down the slide

Such a coincidence with your handle