QF to Haneda

[der1]

The three unconfirmed flights to NRT will be from SYD, not MEL.

SYDNEY – HANEDA
Flight QF25 – dep: 20:40 arr: 05:30 – next day – DAILY frequency with 747-400
HANEDA – SYDNEY
Flight QF26 – dep: 22:00 arr: 08:30 – next day – DAILY frequency with 747-400
SYDNEY – NARITA
Flight QF21 – dep: 21:30 arr: 06:20 – next day – thrice weekly – with 747-400
NARITA – SYDNEY
Flight QF22 – dep: 20:30 arr: 07:10 – next day – thrice weekly – with 747-400
BRISBANE – NARITA
Flight QF61 – dep: 11:15 arr: 19:30 – four times weekly with A330-300
NARITA – BRISBANE
Flight QF62 – dep: 20:55 arr: 06:55 - next day – four times weekly with A330-300

 

[yohy?!]

Poor MEL, just cant catch a break

 

[eosphoros]

The three unconfirmed flights to NRT will be from SYD, not MEL.

SYDNEY – HANEDA
Flight QF25 – dep: 20:40 arr: 05:30 – next day – DAILY frequency with 747-400
HANEDA – SYDNEY
Flight QF26 – dep: 22:00 arr: 08:30 – next day – DAILY frequency with 747-400
SYDNEY – NARITA
Flight QF21 – dep: 21:30 arr: 06:20 – next day – thrice weekly – with 747-400
NARITA – SYDNEY
Flight QF22 – dep: 20:30 arr: 07:10 – next day – thrice weekly – with 747-400
BRISBANE – NARITA
Flight QF61 – dep: 11:15 arr: 19:30 – four times weekly with A330-300
NARITA – BRISBANE
Flight QF62 – dep: 20:55 arr: 06:55 - next day – four times weekly with A330-300

Well that is disappointing. MEL-NRT-MEL would have been great for those who wish to avoid the orange cancer.

Anyway, where is QF going to get the extra 747s for this service? I would have thought that surely the second NRT service would have been operated by a 333 (though that wouldn't really cater for the amount of business pax demand).

 

[Brettmcg]

The three unconfirmed flights to NRT will be from SYD, not MEL.

SYDNEY – HANEDA
Flight QF25 – dep: 20:40 arr: 05:30 – next day – DAILY frequency with 747-400
HANEDA – SYDNEY
Flight QF26 – dep: 22:00 arr: 08:30 – next day – DAILY frequency with 747-400
SYDNEY – NARITA
Flight QF21 – dep: 21:30 arr: 06:20 – next day – thrice weekly – with 747-400
NARITA – SYDNEY
Flight QF22 – dep: 20:30 arr: 07:10 – next day – thrice weekly – with 747-400
BRISBANE – NARITA
Flight QF61 – dep: 11:15 arr: 19:30 – four times weekly with A330-300
NARITA – BRISBANE
Flight QF62 – dep: 20:55 arr: 06:55 - next day – four times weekly with A330-300

The SYD-NRT flights don't appear in the GDS. What's your source?

 

[der1]

Airlinehubbuzz
I can't link it because I am too new.

 

[Brettmcg]

Airlinehubbuzz
I can't link it because I am too new.

"The carrier announced new daily services to Tokyo Haneda as well as new fights from Brisbane to Toyko Narita operating four times weekly with an three weekly services from an unannounced city. It seems Sydney will still retain three weekly 747 services to Narita. The new Japan schedule from August 2015 according to GDS displays is"

I wouldn't take that as gospel. It doesn't match what I can see in any systems.

I think what they have seen is a couple of double ups where the old QF21/22 hadn't been removed before the new 25/26 (to HND) was put in.

I'll wait until I see confirmation from QF before I jump to conclusions.

 

[eosphoros]

"The carrier announced new daily services to Tokyo Haneda as well as new fights from Brisbane to Toyko Narita operating four times weekly with an three weekly services from an unannounced city. It seems Sydney will still retain three weekly 747 services to Narita. The new Japan schedule from August 2015 according to GDS displays is"

I wouldn't take that as gospel. It doesn't match what I can see in any systems.

I think what they have seen is a couple of double ups where the old QF21/22 hadn't been removed before the new 25/26 (to HND) was put in.

I'll wait until I see confirmation from QF before I jump to conclusions.

I too shall wait for confirmation from QF.

But one thing that does point toward SYD-NRT being the thrice weekly service is the fact that the SYD-HND flights have a different flight number. I would have thought that, since timing, aircraft and destination city was the same, they would have kept QF21/QF22. It suggests to me that those flight numbers were kept possibly to put onto a thrice weekly SYD-NRT service.

In any event, I agree that those current QF21/QF22 flights showing up are double ups as Brettmcg has suggested. I would think that, even if they were keeping SYD-NRT, it would be retimed for better aircraft utlisation and follow the QF61/QF62 daytime out, redeye back timing. Also, as I said in my previous post, I find it unlikely that QF will have enough 747s to run a thrice weekly NRT service from SYD (especially if staying with current timings)

 

[anat0l]

Well that is disappointing. MEL-NRT-MEL would have been great for those who wish to avoid the orange cancer.

As someone who used to be living in BNE, it's really difficult to have any sympathy for you.

At least there are morning flights that are able to connect to the BNE-NRT flight from MEL. Had it been MEL-NRT and still a day flight, there'd probably be no chance in hell that the scheduling would be as such that BNE pax would be able to meet it.

 

[VAG newbie]

Just had a look in QFF award inventory.

QF25/26 is already available for grab on business class and PE, SYD-HND early Aug 2015, but not QF61/62 BNE-NRT. I thought the demand for premium cabin would be less for BNE-NRT (as everyone would suggest!), then QF should release more award seats on QF61/62.

And the schedule looks like QF61, BNE-NRT is Mon/Wed/Fri/Sun, QF62, NRT-BNE is Tues/Thurs/Sat/Sun

 

[Himeno]

It does look like that is a double up. There is no way QF could use 4 747s on the AU-TYO route without a major cut to another 747 route. But there is the other HND use rule to think about. Long haul airlines into HND also have to keep service to NRT. It depends how that rule is applied as to if QF has to keep a SYD-NRT flight, or if any AU-NRT flight is good.

 

[der1]

It does look like that is a double up. There is no way QF could use 4 747s on the AU-TYO route without a major cut to another 747 route. But there is the other HND use rule to think about. Long haul airlines into HND also have to keep service to NRT. It depends how that rule is applied as to if QF has to keep a SYD-NRT flight, or if any AU-NRT flight is good.

I incline to agree with posters above that the source I got from airlinehubbuzz is hard to believe. I'd say that since QF21/22 isn't being used on the SYD-HND flight (QF25/26), SYD will most likely retain the remaining thrice-weekly NRT slots using the A332/A333 in conjunction with QF61/62.

 

[soorox]

As someone who used to be living in BNE, it's really difficult to have any sympathy

To be fair, MEL has suffered longer than BNE when it comes to flights to Japan! MEL is also very weak in the Pacific, Taiwan and Korea with no non-stop flights at all to TPE or ICN. Though pretty strong in China and Hong Kong overall.

 

[boomy]

The QF Int map doesn't show much of MEL or BNE, mostly SYD. Doesn't bother me too much, don't mind the 1 hour transit.

 

[drross]

Jetstar have been big on promo re Gold Coast to Japanese snow. I wonder if they'll get any of the new haneda slots

 

[TomVexille]

Jetstar have been big on promo re Gold Coast to Japanese snow. I wonder if they'll get any of the new haneda slots

Surely not with GK being based out of NRT

 

[Himeno]

Jetstar .... I wonder if they'll get any of the new haneda slots

Australia has access to 7 weekly slot pairs at HND. Those slots are in the process of being assigned to QF for SYD-HND.
Once they are given to QF, there are NO more slots for an Australian carrier to use at HND.
If QF has them, JQ (or TT, or VA) can not use them, or in fact go to HND. Even QF won't be able to add more flights to HND. If QF wants to add more flights to TYO (as they are doing over new year), they must send them to NRT.

 

[ozbeachbabe]

Having the BNE/NRT flight at 1115 will put more pressure on the lounge facilities in BNE as all other QFi flights to SIN/HKG/LAX currently depart between 1000 & 1130 plus JQ to DPS @ 0910.

Well that is disappointing. MEL-NRT-MEL would have been great for those who wish to avoid the orange cancer.

They would have to consider inbound demand to support a MEL/NRT/MEL service. What percentage of inbound Japanese tourists have MEL on their bucket list? It's mainly just Barrier Reef, Gold Coast, Sydney & Ayers Rock.

 

[anat0l]

Having the BNE/NRT flight at 1115 will put more pressure on the lounge facilities in BNE as all other QFi flights to SIN/HKG/LAX currently depart between 1000 & 1130 plus JQ to DPS @ 0910.

That's a good point. Knowing the size of the BNE I JL, they are screwed. It'll be even worse in the F Room. And the EK lounge is both far out and not necessarily open.

Quite a sticky problem there. I know someone said that there was an idea to redevelop or extend the current facilities, but nothing noted yet. Not sure if the business case of a 4-times-weekly flight is enough to push them over the edge.

They would have to consider inbound demand to support a MEL/NRT/MEL service. What percentage of inbound Japanese tourists have MEL on their bucket list? It's mainly just Barrier Reef, Gold Coast, Sydney & Ayers Rock.

Depends on how sophisticated those Japanese tourists are.

That said, so between Melbourne and Japan would mainly leave business traffic....and come to think of it, how much business traffic interests realistically do the Japanese have in Melbourne?

The other demographic not considered well is not the Japanese flying to Australia but the Australians flying to Japan. There are likely more of the latter in Melbourne than of the former.

 

[ozbeachbabe]

That's a good point. Knowing the size of the BNE I JL, they are screwed. It'll be even worse in the F Room. And the EK lounge is both far out and not necessarily open.

Quite a sticky problem there. I know someone said that there was an idea to redevelop or extend the current facilities, but nothing noted yet. Not sure if the business case of a 4-times-weekly flight is enough to push them over the edge.

There are those who would say the lounge is due for expansion prior to the BNE/NRT announcement. There's also the new JQ5/JQ6 BNE/HNL/BNE service although that's a 1655 departure so those pax won't impact the morning crowd in the lounge.

Depends on how sophisticated those Japanese tourists are.

That said, so between Melbourne and Japan would mainly leave business traffic....and come to think of it, how much business traffic interests realistically do the Japanese have in Melbourne?

The other demographic not considered well is not the Japanese flying to Australia but the Australians flying to Japan. There are likely more of the latter in Melbourne than of the former.

Agreed - probably a similar situation to QF23/QF24 SYD/BKK/SYD however that's often full of Aussies going to and fro so I don't think that service relies on a lot of inbound traffic from Thailand.

 

[Isochronous]

PER-NRT would be the best to complement BNE! Or what about something out of the box like CNS-NRT?