QF not requiring Q streaming iPads to be shut down during landing....

[simongr]

Hi all

Currently sat on the delayed QF409 to MEL and have now seen Pia Miller's intro to Q streaming a few times. I just noticed that the instructions do not require the QF iPads to be shut down for landing.

The instructions very clearly say "when you have finished with Q streaming just close the cover and stow the iPad securely for landing." There is no mention of shutting the machine down.

Kind of makes a mockery of having to shut down all other iPads during take off and landing...

Note not looking for a debate as to whether iPads are safe (we have another current thread on hat exact topic). Just observing the advice provided by QF.

 

[nlagalle]

I think being they are locked into flight mode the element of transmitting is eliminated.

 

[Boris spatsky]

And they have probably been tested and approved by CASA - that specific iPad on that specific aircraft.

 

[serfty]

There appears to be some sort of sensor that places them into quiescent mode when the cover is closed.

 

[DeKa]

There appears to be some sort of light sensor that places them into quiescent mode when the cover is closed.

Magnet, and it's standard on all iPads?

 

[maomaocat]

And they have probably been tested and approved by CASA - that specific iPad on that specific aircraft.

You mean that large manufacturers of popular electronic devices could work with aircraft manufacturers and air safety bureaus to certify devices in a standard fashion for compatibility and safety so that they could be used on a worldwide basis? Wow!

 

[under the radar]

Hi all

Currently sat on the delayed QF409 to MEL and have now seen Pia Miller's intro to Q streaming a few times. I just noticed that the instructions do not require the QF iPads to be shut down for landing.

The instructions very clearly say "when you have finished with Q streaming just close the cover and stow the iPad securely for landing." There is no mention of shutting the machine down.

Kind of makes a mockery of having to shut down all other iPads during take off and landing...

Note not looking for a debate as to whether iPads are safe (we have another current thread on hat exact topic). Just observing the advice provided by QF.

QF website... adhoc : device ONLY 'streams' content wirelessly from server on a/c to ipad.. it doesnt have the option to (potentially) interfere with a/c systems like an 'outside' transmitter could...effectively the system is in 'flight mode' sorry im not a tech head..but thats my laymans explanation!!

 

[simongr]

It is no different then to an iPad in flight mode.

 

[codash1099]

It is no different then to an iPad in flight mode.

I think the difference is that they KNOW their iPads are locked in flight mode, whereas it would be difficult to be sure yours is.

 

[simongr]

If I didnt switch it to flight mode and power down and just left it in my bag they would have no idea if it was on or not. But they obviously know that flight mode devices do not impact the aircraft as they just put 200 of them in each 763.

 

[RickyT84]

On my last flight that featured Qstreaming, the CSM made included in his usual annoucement about switching off electronic devices for landing that the Qantas issued iPads also needs to be 'switched off' as well.

 

[Boris spatsky]

You mean that large manufacturers of popular electronic devices could work with aircraft manufacturers and air safety bureaus to certify devices in a standard fashion for compatibility and safety so that they could be used on a worldwide basis? Wow!

Sort of. EMI testing is very laborious and complex, especially on FADEC equipped aircraft (which almost all airliners are nowadays, except maybe the F100s) or fly-by-wire aircraft (Airbus) - such testing would have to be done for each individual type of device for each aircraft type and engine combination, with each different version (theoretically iPad 1 and 2 are different, as are iPad 2 with iOS 5 and iOS 6). So you can imagine the thousands of permutations that are possible. It is simply not viable for airlines or manufacturers to do the testing (and fund its exhorbitant cost).

In the end it is all about money.

 

[im.daniel]

On my last flight that featured Qstreaming, the CSM made included in his usual annoucement about switching off electronic devices for landing that the Qantas issued iPads also needs to be 'switched off' as well.

Same thing happened today on flight 589

 

[jb747]

Same thing happened today on flight 589

Any time I've flown on these 767s, the announcement is very particular to point out that they want it turned completely off.

The testing required to allow use in flight is very extensive, and as mentioned involves a specific device (not iPad, but 1, 2, 3, 4 & mini, etc). It's obviously impossible to have particular device tested, and the iPad, given its very extensive use in aviation is the most common target. They won't be testing device X from Korean brand Y any time soon, and I'd doubt that any of the makers would undertake paying for the testing.