QF fleet discussion

[BD1959]

Re: Is this worth a phone call to Qantas?

There is in the presentation link from Seattle.

Really? ... 321s from Seattle ... ??

Seriously, I missed the 739s in the PDF ... off to look at the Fleet thread again ... apologies docjames.

Regards,

BD

 

[markis10]

Re: Is this worth a phone call to Qantas?

Understand, but in order to fit in that extra 738 service, either the peak hour needs to be increased from 4x hourly or the peak needs to be extended.

Increasing MEL-SYD frequency during the peak is probably non-productive given current delays, even if the slots are available.

Increasing non-peak is probably counter-productive - there's a reason why the 767s are crammed during peak: demand; if QF can't meet that demand ....

During peak which is essentially four hours, I would expect Qantas will probably put in a tag flight with an A332, that is SYD-MEL-PER or MEL-SYD then PER to absorb the seat needs.

 

[markis10]

Re: Is this worth a phone call to Qantas?

Really? ... 321s from Seattle ... ??

Seriously, I missed the 739s in the PDF ... off to look at the Fleet thread again ... apologies docjames.

Regards,

BD

The presentation was done in Seattle with the execs over there to pick up a Boeing

I have moved the posts to a more appropriate thread

 

[docjames]

Re: Is this worth a phone call to Qantas?

Except given the flight/hour cap at SYD there may not be the possibility of replacing 2 763s with 3 738s at many times of the day.

Hence a 739 or 321 which reduces seat count less, and would improve yield.

 

[lovestotravel]

Re: Is this worth a phone call to Qantas?

I expect QF to order A321neo's

 

[brad330]

I wonder if we might see some on routes the 767 did like SYD-CNS and BNE-DRW. Markis10 will know, markis?

I think it would be wise for SYD-CNS to from 1x 763 and 2x 73H to 2x 332 and put at 737 on east coast triangle bringing back - morning service down and evening service back QF921/QF932 with connections to US and business travelers. The turn time is perfect fit as well! Winner for all!

0510 CNS-0800 SYD QF923
0900 SYD-1210 CNS QF924
1310 CNS-1600 SYD QF925
1700 SYD-2010 CNS QF926

 

[IGetAround]

On the issue of A330s, I'm wondering whether the absence of a "full upgrade" in Y on the A332s indicates that they will not be flying internationally. Specifically, would the combination of refurbished J and 'refreshed' Y cut the mustard on the PER-DXB-Europe flights?

I think a lot of airlines would have a think about something along that line. After all, the economics of flying 4-engine aircrafts aren't that great. And in QF's case, they would probably make a good 744ER replacement. I know it's sad to see the 744 goes out in this way, but economically, it makes sense. And on top of that, the A380 has never been a good cargo carrier as such.

Is the A380/A350 a suitable 744 replacement on the Pacific routes? Seems like the former offers too much capacity for the JNB and SCL routes whilst the latter offers too few engines. On the other hand, I could see BNE-LAX 744 being replaced by a BNE-LAX 789 (potentially replacing the 744 to JFK) and a BNE-DFW 789.

 

[zachary.august]

One of the issues is ETOPS isn't it? You need a four engined aircraft to operate to South America and South Africa. Would it be possible to have 744s allocated to solely operate SYD-SCL and SYD-JNB and replace the others with a 789?

 

[Isochronous]

One of the issues is ETOPS isn't it? You need a four engined aircraft to operate to South America and South Africa. Would it be possible to have 744s allocated to solely operate SYD-SCL and SYD-JNB and replace the others with a 789?

Also the cost base of the 744 on those routes is not a problem since QF has a monopoly, and they own the aircraft outright so no acquisition/leasing costs to pay.

 

[Isochronous]

here's a thought..once the refits to new a330 J/C come online....along with the BNE-PER-BNE route...the 'intra-asia' schedules may see more a330 utilization..as 4x744s are put to pasture over the next 2yrs approx...maybe the daily 1xBNE-SIN 744 might become daily 2xa330?? or maybe another mainland china route...or maybe SYD-NRT... and lets not forget SYD-HNL....it's a wait n see game

HKG to double daily from MEL and SYD, plus restored to PER? CGK frequency increased?

 

[samh004]

One of the issues is ETOPS isn't it? You need a four engined aircraft to operate to South America and South Africa. Would it be possible to have 744s allocated to solely operate SYD-SCL and SYD-JNB and replace the others with a 789?

Isn't AirNZ able to operate the 777 to South Africa? That's only got two engines

 

[markis10]

Isn't AirNZ able to operate the 777 to South Africa? That's only got two engines

Air NZ dont fly to Sth Africa with their own metal

 

[samh004]

HKG to double daily from MEL and SYD, plus restored to PER? CGK frequency increased?

Unless they're getting the loads I think once a day will be enough, with perhaps some new destinations in Asia being more attractive.

Could they do an Australia-HKG-Mainland China-Australia route like CX has been doing with CNS and ADL for years? That could open up some new markets, without dedicating all their capacity.

Air NZ dont fly to Sth Africa with their own metal

There was a link somewhere though saying that they had the capability, no?

 

[Fruitcake]

There was a link somewhere though saying that they had the capability, no?

NZ has 330 minute ETOPS on at least some of their 77Ws. Even with that ability they wouldn't be able to follow a great circle route from AKL to JNB (Great Circle Mapper) although the diversion would be nowhere near as significant as what VA had to do during their brief JNB service.

 

[samh004]

Yes, they could. NZ has 330 minute ETOPS on at least some of their 77Ws.

Thus it's not dependant on engines and QF could potentially achieve similar in the future depending what they buy next. There's enough years between order fulfilment I'd think.

 

[Mattg]

Isn't AirNZ able to operate the 777 to South Africa? That's only got two engines

AFAIK Air NZ route their customers going to South Africa AKL-PER-JNB with the second leg on SA. I suppose they could probably fly there direct if they wanted to though.

 

[markis10]

Thus it's not dependant on engines and QF could potentially achieve similar in the future depending what they buy next. There's enough years between order fulfilment I'd think.

Doesnt mean its viable either, which is why they still tag team with Springbok

 

[samh004]

Doesnt mean its viable either, which is why they still tag team with Springbok

I guess they need to do the math. And I'm sure they are. 4-engine burn and increasingly expensive maintenance on ageing 744's compared to longer routes on newer 2-engines aircraft and probably other issues too.

 

[markis10]

I guess they need to do the math. And I'm sure they are. 4-engine burn and increasingly expensive maintenance on ageing 744's compared to longer routes on newer 2-engines aircraft and probably other issues too.

The demand is not there no matter how many engines you have, which is why Springbok and QF share, even that is on tenderhooks.

 

[samh004]

The demand is not there no matter how many engines you have, which is why Springbok and QF share, even that is on tenderhooks.

That said I didn't just mean South Africa, there's also North and South American routes where I'm sure there's 4 v 2 engine considerations.