QF fleet discussion

[samh004]

Although I know they won't be as frequent as 767 services I reckon we will still see a few A330's on the syd-mel and syd-bne flights.

Agreed, makes a lot of sense.

 

[moa999]

already are some a330s on the triangle. agree we will see more.

 

[lovestotravel]

The presentation said that A330's would be East-West coast while B737's would operate elsewhere, hence the mention of a capacity reduction.

But given that most of the East-West coast flights are already A330's adding the 10+ J* A330's would mean some would be used MEL-SYD-BNE etc

 

[markis10]

But given that most of the East-West coast flights are already A330's adding the 10+ J* A330's would mean some would be used MEL-SYD-BNE etc

Their inability to do the golden triangle efficiently was one of the reasons JQ became their home, I doubt you will see many at all doing MEL-SYD-BNE, QF does not have the gate space at SYD thanks to project homecoming for a slow turnaround triangle, tag flights yes, especially for maintenance positioning but a pure golden triangle run of two segments, doubt it.

Most of the east west flights are not A330 ex BNE

 

[Aussie_flyer]

Their inability to do the golden triangle efficiently was one of the reasons JQ became their home, I doubt you will see many at all doing MEL-SYD-BNE, QF does not have the gate space at SYD thanks to project homecoming for a slow turnaround triangle, tag flights yes, especially for maintenance positioning but a pure golden triangle run of two segments, doubt it.

Most of the east west flights are not A330 ex BNE

Well,you know best of course

 

[lovestotravel]

Their inability to do the golden triangle efficiently was one of the reasons JQ became their home, I doubt you will see many at all doing MEL-SYD-BNE, QF does not have the gate space at SYD thanks to project homecoming for a slow turnaround triangle, tag flights yes, especially for maintenance positioning but a pure golden triangle run of two segments, doubt it.

Most of the east west flights are not A330 ex BNE

Yep I know that, but there are 12 or something A330's to come from JQ back to QF I think

They can't all be used on BNE-PER-BNE

So some will have to be used domestic to replace the 767's on MEL-SYD etc

 

[Aussie_flyer]

Yep I know that, but there are 12 or something A330's to come from JQ back to QF I think

They can't all be used on BNE-PER-BNE

So some will have to be used domestic to replace the 767's on MEL-SYD etc

I wonder if we might see some on routes the 767 did like SYD-CNS and BNE-DRW. Markis10 will know, markis?

 

[markis10]

I wonder if we might see some on routes the 767 did like SYD-CNS and BNE-DRW. Markis10 will know, markis?

QF824/5 will be an A330 soon, it was on Thursdays and Sundays in the last few years. Expect ADL and SYD- DRW also to go A330 during the Dry as well as some CNS flights.

Yep I know that, but there are 12 or something A330's to come from JQ back to QF I think

They can't all be used on BNE-PER-BNE

So some will have to be used domestic to replace the 767's on MEL-SYD etc

There are 10 to come. As previously mentioned I doubt it, dont forget there are a few more 738s available with the 717s for Tassie and Canberra relieving them of their 734 duties. Qantas can get OK turns on Gates 10 and 11 at Sydney with the A330s so there may be a bit of activity but I doubt on any given day an A330 will be solely triangle bound.

 

[lovestotravel]

Plus one A330 is needed for SYD-HNL-SYD I guess too

But that is still 4-5 A330's that need to fly somewhere

 

[under the radar]

Yep I know that, but there are 12 or something A330's to come from JQ back to QF I think

They can't all be used on BNE-PER-BNE

So some will have to be used domestic to replace the 767's on MEL-SYD etc

here's a thought..once the refits to new a330 J/C come online....along with the BNE-PER-BNE route...the 'intra-asia' schedules may see more a330 utilization..as 4x744s are put to pasture over the next 2yrs approx...maybe the daily 1xBNE-SIN 744 might become daily 2xa330?? or maybe another mainland china route...or maybe SYD-NRT... and lets not forget SYD-HNL....it's a wait n see game

 

[lovestotravel]

Ah yes the 744's forgot about them!

 

[moa999]

Agree that 330s replacing 747s for the International routes is the only logical solution without further schedule cutbacks

but it is at odds with the statement on pg. 9 (my emphasis)

All Jetstar A330s transferred to Qantas Domestic by mid‐2015

In any event, think the above shows that the preso has a few holes in it.

 

[lovestotravel]

Agree that 330s replacing 747s for the International routes is the only logical solution without further schedule cutbacks

but it is at odds with the statement on pg. 9 (my emphasis)


In any event, think the above shows that the preso has a few holes in it.

Indeed, I think that's why it makes no sense!

 

[dk4]

It becomes even more problematic when considering that QFi and QFd are now separate companies - so which one will actually own the capital? And how much will they charge the other one to dry lease (or even wet lease it)?

I thought that the whole point of merging Qantas (international ops) and Australian Airlines (TN domestic ops), back in the day, was to allow cross-network synergies to develop!

 

[markis10]

It becomes even more problematic when considering that QFi and QFd are now separate companies - so which one will actually own the capital? And how much will they charge the other one to dry lease (or even wet lease it)?

I wonder how that works now, considering the entire A332 international fleet has racked up one international flight in the last month, and the rest transcon ops!

 

[BD1959]

Re: Is this worth a phone call to Qantas?

Expect it to happen more and more as they retire 767s.

Probably a question more to the Fleet Thread but: how will QF maintain the passenger numbers on the triangle as the 767s are retired ... schedule 738s every 10 mins between MEL and SYD??

I can't see the A330s replacing ALL the existing 767s and there's that Domestic "line in the sand" which needs to be maintained.

Regards,

BD

 

[docjames]

Re: Is this worth a phone call to Qantas?

Probably a question more to the Fleet Thread but: how will QF maintain the passenger numbers on the triangle as the 767s are retired ... schedule 738s every 10 mins between MEL and SYD??

I can't see the A330s replacing ALL the existing 767s and there's that Domestic "line in the sand" which needs to be maintained.

Regards,

BD

Replace the 738s with 739s or 321s would be my "solution".

 

[markis10]

Re: Is this worth a phone call to Qantas?

Probably a question more to the Fleet Thread but: how will QF maintain the passenger numbers on the triangle as the 767s are retired ... schedule 738s every 10 mins between MEL and SYD??

I can't see the A330s replacing ALL the existing 767s and there's that Domestic "line in the sand" which needs to be maintained.

Regards,

BD

There is only an 80 seat delta between a 767 and a 738, so three 738s offer same cap and better frequency than two 763s.

 

[BD1959]

Re: Is this worth a phone call to Qantas?

There is only an 80 seat delta between a 767 and a 738, so three 738s offer same cap and better frequency than two 763s.

Understand, but in order to fit in that extra 738 service, either the peak hour needs to be increased from 4x hourly or the peak needs to be extended.

Increasing MEL-SYD frequency during the peak is probably non-productive given current delays, even if the slots are available.

Increasing non-peak is probably counter-productive - there's a reason why the 767s are crammed during peak: demand; if QF can't meet that demand ....

docjames: there was nothing in the Fleet thread which suggests QF Group are contemplating 739s or 321s.

Regards,

BD

 

[markis10]

Re: Is this worth a phone call to Qantas?

docjames: there was nothing in the Fleet thread which suggests QF Group are contemplating 739s or 321s.

Regards,

BD

There is in the presentation link from Seattle.