QF announce non-stop Perth-London B787 Services

[serfty]

Which is much less than the $40M quoted during the standoff between QF and PER's owners.

 

[garee]

Re: Qantas: non-stop Australia (Perth)-Europe (London) Boeing 787 flights set to soar

$14 million according to the release

14 million on the surface, how much behind the scenes.

 

[NZflygirl]

Re: Qantas: non-stop Australia (Perth)-Europe (London) Boeing 787 flights set to soar

Maybe they could change the SYD-Johannesburg flight to base out of Perth also?

Then you'd have Per-Sin, DXB with EK although they have a lounge already, and South Africa. Open up Mauritius and Seychelles for leisure holiday destinations etc. Seasonal Per-AKL or more often if it works.

 

[TomVexille]

Re: Qantas: non-stop Australia (Perth)-Europe (London) Boeing 787 flights set to soar

14 million on the surface, how much behind the scenes.

Well the WA government has said that the money will be to fit out T3/4 with Immigration and Customs facilities. The cost of manning those facilities will be worn by the Federal Government.

 

[serfty]

14 million on the surface, how much behind the scenes.

I suspect plenty ... Unless PER management were over quoting by 26m ...

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-29/perth-airport-direct-london-flights-row-continues/8074510

 

[serfty]

Re: Qantas: non-stop Australia (Perth)-Europe (London) Boeing 787 flights set to soar

... The cost of manning those facilities will be worn by the Federal Government.

which was always going to be the case ...

 

[garee]

Thank you posting confirmation of what I thought was happening

 

[Programme]

The first 787 service is due to leave Perth on 1 March 2018 about 7.30pm and arrive in London at 6am. Departure from London will be about 11am, arriving in Perth at 10am the next day.

(https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/skys...ff-after-14m-taxpayer-injection-ng-b88325272z)

Just as a matter of curiosity, do these timings match the previous slots that Qantas has leased out at LHR?

 

[moa999]

Possibly also suggests a rescheduling of QF1/2 given the current tag-team ops.

Afaik (all LHR times)
QF1 arrives 6.30am, departs as QF10 about 1pm.
QF9 arrives 1pm departs as QF2 about 9pm

I suspect very difficult to get another early morning slot, which suggests QF1 might be pushed back to a late evening SYD departure (would also help to reduce the crush hour in the QF F Lounge)

 

[Pleb Status]

According to this article, the cost premium for the new service could be 40%!

Non-stop Perth to London flights could cost 40 per cent more: aviation expert

 

[codash1099]

(https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/skys...ff-after-14m-taxpayer-injection-ng-b88325272z)

Just as a matter of curiosity, do these timings match the previous slots that Qantas has leased out at LHR?

Something must be wrong with those times. I thought there was a law that said all QFi arrivals and departures at PER had to be between 2am and 5 am.

 

[Daver6]

Will be interesting to see how they price Y fares. QR often have pretty cheap Y fares to Europe (including London) on a regular basis. Seat pitch is 32-33" on the 777 they have between PER and DOH. A380 is 32" (although not sure what they fly between DOH and LHR).

 

[Himeno]

Possibly also suggests a rescheduling of QF1/2 given the current tag-team ops.

Afaik (all LHR times)
QF1 arrives 6.30am, departs as QF10 about 1pm.
QF9 arrives 1pm departs as QF2 about 9pm

I suspect very difficult to get another early morning slot, which suggests QF1 might be pushed back to a late evening SYD departure (would also help to reduce the crush hour in the QF F Lounge)

QF owns enough slots. They have 4 slot pairs with 2 currently leased to BA.
The suggested times quoted in the linked article would fit with the slot times QF owns at LHR.

QF has 2 arrival slots ~6am, 2 departure slots ~11am, 2 arrival slots ~noon and 2 departure slots ~9pm.

 

[ermen]

Re: Qantas: non-stop Australia (Perth)-Europe (London) Boeing 787 flights set to soar

I would do this flight in J but would struggle to in Y

So I reckon the pricing strategy would be as follows
1/ price premium for the premium cabins (whats the alternative? A380 sky beds which are inferior)
2/ price discount for Y

The extra $$ for J prob can offset lower revenue in Y and the flight can still make a profit given the lower cost of the 787

 

[ermen]

This is the one downside to the arrangement.
Having no lounge access after you go through customs and immigration.

Dont think its a big deal. It will prob be 2 or 3 guys manning a booth near the international gate. Many european airports have this arrangement (small non schengen areas) - was just in MAD the other day and it did seem to work ok.

Put it this way, the plane aint leaving if there are a bunch of people still lineing up at immigration

 

[Himeno]

Re: Qantas: non-stop Australia (Perth)-Europe (London) Boeing 787 flights set to soar

I would do this flight in J but would struggle to in Y

So I reckon the pricing strategy would be as follows
1/ price premium for the premium cabins (whats the alternative? A380 sky beds which are inferior)
2/ price discount for Y

The extra $$ for J prob can offset lower revenue in Y and the flight can still make a profit given the lower cost of the 787

price premium for everyone to offset the amount of seats they will have to block to make this work. The 787 simply does NOT have the range to do this route without blocking a large amount of seats.

 

[ermen]

price premium for everyone to offset the amount of seats they will have to block to make this work. The 787 simply does NOT have the range to do this route without blocking a large amount of seats.

Interesting - if they defacto had to block a lot of seats, then yes a premium for Y is justified - and people will pay if they are almost guaranteed a shadow beside them

 

[Himeno]

Interesting - if they defacto had to block a lot of seats, then yes a premium for Y is justified - and people will pay if they are almost guaranteed a shadow beside them

PER-LHR 14,499km

787-9 range (Boeing) 14,140km
Lowest density 787-9 in service (JAL 195 seat 44J 35W 116Y) 14,400km
QF 787-9 236 seats (42J 28W 166Y).
QF has 41 more seats then JL for the same aircraft. The JL config still doesn't have the range for PER-LHR.
You're looking at having to block at least 50-60 seats.

 

[suze2000]

Interesting - if they defacto had to block a lot of seats, then yes a premium for Y is justified - and people will pay if they are almost guaranteed a shadow beside them

Well that would make it a little more attractive - possibly tolerable - but only if it was guaranteed. Nothing worse than getting on a plane, having monitored the seat maps in Expert Flyer, expecting an empty seat next to you, only to have it filled by someone unexpected.

 

[mviy]

According to this article, the cost premium for the new service could be 40%!

Non-stop Perth to London flights could cost 40 per cent more: aviation expert

Hope that isn't the case for premium cabins. Imagine J costing nearly as much as F does now...