Qantas Points Club Plus – Status Credits on Malaysia Airlines Classic Reward Flights

[esseeeayeenn]

Have fun arguing semantics with Manila

First I don't call call centres, never mind argue with them.
If I wanted to dispute this I'd go straight to the ACCC.
However this isn't my issue, I was just agreeing that the QF terms are misleading.
On any ordinary interpretation, a ticket you can ONLY book on the QF website, by paying in QFF points, should count as "QF marketed".
This is beyond argument.

Second, someone pointed out that partner CRs always carry the partner airline flight number.
And argued that this means they are always partner marketed.
But this would conflate "operated" and "marketed".
Which are clearly used to mean different things.

Third, I just vote with my wallet.
Last year I did the bare minimum on QF metal to earn my four squiggles.
Then spent the rest with other OWE airlines.

In 2025 after I retained WP I splashed out on first class flights with EY including one sector in the Residence.
I know my $75,000 annual flight spend (more like $100,000 in 2025 thanks to the Residence) is a mere drop in the ocean, but it's still lost revenue.

 

[hutch]

First I don't call call centres, never mind argue with them.
If I wanted to dispute this I'd go straight to the ACCC.
However this isn't my issue, I was just agreeing that the QF terms are misleading.
On any ordinary interpretation, a ticket you can ONLY book on the QF website, by paying in QFF points, should count as "QF marketed".
This is beyond argument.

Second, someone pointed out that partner CRs always carry the partner airline flight number.
And argued that this means they are always partner marketed.
But this would conflate "operated" and "marketed".
Which are clearly used to mean different things.

Third, I just vote with my wallet.
Last year I did the bare minimum on QF metal to earn my four squiggles.
Then spent the rest with other OWE airlines.

In 2025 after I retained WP I splashed out on first class flights with EY including one sector in the Residence.
I know my $75,000 annual flight spend (more like $100,000 in 2025 thanks to the Residence) is a mere drop in the ocean, but it's still lost revenue.

Just because you say something is beyond argument, doesn't make it so.

Clearly many people here don't share your view.

Likewise you don't agree with them and evidently nothing will change that.

It will remain unresolved for forever and a day.

 

[SYD]

However this isn't my issue, I was just agreeing that the QF terms are misleading.
On any ordinary interpretation, a ticket you can ONLY book on the QF website, by paying in QFF points, should count as "QF marketed".
This is beyond argument.

From the QF Ts&Cs:

'Marketing Carrier' means the airline whose airline code or number (e.g. 'QF' for Qantas) is recorded on the ticket

QF will sell you (via cash or points) tickets on various flights with or without QF codes - the later invariably with the operating carrier’s code.

Second, someone pointed out that partner CRs always carry the partner airline flight number.

Which, as pointed out isn’t correct - there are exceptions where QF is the marketing carrier and SCs can be earned for CRs as PC member.

 

[hutch]

I can only suggest you read my signature.

I certainly agree. A little mutual consistency would go a long way.

 

[esseeeayeenn]

From the QF Ts&Cs:

'Marketing Carrier' means the airline whose airline code or number (e.g. 'QF' for Qantas) is recorded on the ticket

QF will sell you (via cash or points) tickets on various flights with or without QF codes - the later invariably with the operating carrier’s code.


Which, as pointed out isn’t correct - there are exceptions where QF is the marketing carrier and SCs can be earned for CRs as PC member.

Name one of these exceptions.

 

[esseeeayeenn]

Name one of these exceptions.

If Target sell you a hoodie that is made by Calvin Klein, it is a Target marketed hoodie.
Why is this so difficult to understand?
I know every single travel writer on the planet is a sycophant for whichever airline or hotel chain paid for their latest trip.
But I didn't expect that level of sycophancy here.

 

[justinbrett]

If Target sell you a hoodie that is made by Calvin Klein, it is a Target marketed hoodie.
Why is this so difficult to understand?
I know every single travel writer on the planet is a sycophant for whichever airline or hotel chain paid for their latest trip.
But I didn't expect that level of sycophancy here.

No, your analogy is wrong, You’re confusing the party selling the product tag (ie, who’s issuing the ticket) with the product itself. It would be a target marketed product if it carried Target branding and was made by CK, but the fact Target sells it doesn’t make that so.

You could have three different parties, for example a QF ticket featuring an AA marketed flight on BA metal.

 

[SYD]

Name one of these exceptions.

Aircalin (SB).

 

[justinbrett]

Aircalin (SB).
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And Air Tahiti Nui

 

[sudoer]

If Target sell you a hoodie that is made by Calvin Klein, it is a Target marketed hoodie.

If Flight Centre sells a Qantas flight, who is the marketing carrier?

 

[SYD]

If Flight Centre sells a Qantas flight, who is the marketing carrier?

Or Target?*



Although, not sure I’d want to fly in an aircraft with a target on the side over the ME….



*that’s Target USA - which has nothing to do with our local Target - except the US did pay Target AU to reuse the logo! Fun fact.

 

[esseeeayeenn]

If Flight Centre sells a Qantas flight, who is the marketing carrier?

Is FlightCentre a carrier?

 

[Vic]

Seems lots of people are missing the importance of written english and so called "semantics". Dismissing a very obvious point as semantics highlights the echo chamber effect we often see.
Thing is lawyers love arguing semantics - especially over proper nouns versus undefined terms. Pretty sure that argument isn't going to be held in Manilla.

Just because you say something is beyond argument, doesn't make it so.

Clearly many people here don't share your view.

Likewise you don't agree with them and evidently nothing will change that.

It will remain unresolved for forever and a day.

So if many people said lets jump of a cliff we should all jump off a cliff.

From the QF Ts&Cs:

'Marketing Carrier' means the airline whose airline code or number (e.g. 'QF' for Qantas) is recorded on the ticket

That would be a proper noun. not sure how that is relevant to the question of the Qantas marketed flight reward. Very important difference in the lack of capitalisation in the second phrase.

No, your analogy is wrong, You’re confusing the party selling the product tag (ie, who’s issuing the ticket) with the product itself. It would be a target marketed product if it carried Target branding and was made by CK, but the fact Target sells it doesn’t make that so.

You could have three different parties, for example a QF ticket featuring an AA marketed flight on BA metal.

No, that would be a Target marketed and operated hoodie. Love it when people try to jam a round analogy into a square hole.

marketing - that the thing were you sell products.

Qantas is selling the QFF "flight reward" - i.e. the thing that earns with PC.
Absolutely NOTHING to do with the Marketing Carrier or who is Marketing the Flight.

"QANTAS marketed flight reward" - ignoring the full set of words to have an argument?

 

[sudoer]

Is FlightCentre a carrier?

Qantas only acts as agent where QFF points are used to book awards on non QF codes. See 3.11(a) in their conditions of carriage.

 

[esseeeayeenn]

Aircalin (SB).
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Thanks. So whoever asserted that a partner CR always has the operating airline's code was wrong.
Would a PC or PC+ member earn SCs on this booking?

 

[dylarr]

Would a PC or PC+ member earn SCs on this booking?

Per my previous post upthread, yes.

 

[sudoer]

So whoever asserted that a partner CR always has the operating airline's code was wrong.

Who asserted that? I said "almost always" if you're referring to me.

 

[oz_mark]

Who asserted that? I said "almost always" if you're referring to me.

No-one in this thread as far as I can see.

What? A partner operated award booked through QFF will almost always be marketed under the partner's code.

But in most cases a CR flight booked via QF will ticket with the operating carrier’s code and normally wouldn’t earn SCs. There are exceptions, such as SB and some others. I believe they still earn SCs as CR if flown with a QF code.

There are only a small handful of partner airlines where Classic Rewards are booked on a QF marketed/coded flight number, but where they are you do earn SC as a Points Club member, even if the flight isn't QF operated.

These partner airlines are Air Tahiti Nui, Skytrans, Aircalin and Indigo. None of the oneworld partners.

In the case of most reward flights it is the same as the operating carrier.

Which, as pointed out isn’t correct - there are exceptions where QF is the marketing carrier and SCs can be earned for CRs as PC member.