Qantas Lounge Standards

[dfcatch]

Dear Parents,

If you can't control your kids, then you shouldn't be in the lounge - period!

I'm not talking about infants, I'm talking about kids who are old enough to know better, and parents who should be more considerate.

You are IMHO - the ultimate W$&@kers.

 

[farstar]

I was in the old Sydney F lounge once and Peter Jackson ( guess that's Sir Peter now) was walking around in a tee shirt, shorts, and no shoes. I haven't seen anyone in the new F lounge without shoes yet so maybe standards are improving.

 

[Rebekkap]

You call that evolution?

All I see is people who have no respect for themselves let alone others.

Sitting in trains with their feet stretched out on seat, sitting at the train station not on the seat but on the backrest with their feet on the seat, playing music without headphones, playing music with headphones too loud, wearing torn ragged clothes etc.

We do not have the time to get to know these strangers but we have to share public transport with them. Show some self-respect instead of trying to rebel against everything.

There is a world of difference between wearing clothes people think are sloppy and bad behaviour. I've worn my share of sloppy clothes, particularly as a teenager, but I would NEVER put my feet on a seat on the train, play music in public without earphones, or with cheap headphones turned up too loud.

I can't believe this needs pointing out, but judging people on how they are dressed is shallow and superficial, so yes, I think if as a society we've moved on from that then that's evolution.

How you dress != how you behave.

 

[Rebekkap]

Sometimes we do not know why a person dresses in manner that may not be acceptable to us but the can be certain circumstances that make it happen. For example I was in the HKG 1st Lounge on Sunday night in shorts and sandal style shoes, because I could not get changed into jeans as my ankle had been burnt by a CX F/A on my previous sector. I spent the next 9 hours on my QF flight in J class with my ankle wrapped in ice and not wearing shoes. Also to ease the pain I was up the front in the bar area resting my leg and keeping it elevated for a little pain management. Not the most attractive look but still managed to get into the J lounge in Sydney the next day I was able to put jeans on by then as thanks to icing my ankle all night the swelling went down. Still I was in pain with it rubbing.

Sounds painful - hope you're feeling better.

 

[amaroo]

I was in the old Sydney F lounge once and Peter Jackson ( guess that's Sir Peter now) was walking around in a tee shirt, shorts, and no shoes. I haven't seen anyone in the new F lounge without shoes yet so maybe standards are improving.

I was in the F lounge the day after World youth day........the amount of bling being worn hurt my eyes!

Saw quite a few roman sandals.........reminded me of that line - more toey than a roman sandal

 

[mickeyc747]

Sounds painful - hope you're feeling better.

thanks Rebekkap much better now

 

[harvyk]

I can't believe this needs pointing out, but judging people on how they are dressed is shallow and superficial, so yes, I think if as a society we've moved on from that then that's evolution.

How you dress != how you behave.

Couldn't agree more...

There are people who will judge others based on what that person is wearing, and whilst I will pay attention to such things if I'm about to head out to a customers site, or potential customers site, I personally don't care how I look and how I am judged prior to stepping onto an aircraft given I'll probably never see the person again. So to those people who feel society is decaying because I won't wear my 3 piece suit and top hat prior to boarding an aircraft, well to that I say I feel sorry for you, as you will no doubt miss meeting a lot of really interesting people and you will be missing out on a lot of interesting opportunities in life.

 

[SeatBackForward]

Couldn't agree more...

There are people who will judge others based on what that person is wearing, and whilst I will pay attention to such things if I'm about to head out to a customers site, or potential customers site, I personally don't care how I look and how I am judged prior to stepping onto an aircraft given I'll probably never see the person again. So to those people who feel society is decaying because I won't wear my 3 piece suit and top hat prior to boarding an aircraft, well to that I say I feel sorry for you, as you will no doubt miss meeting a lot of really interesting people and you will be missing out on a lot of interesting opportunities in life.

But a closed mind probably doesn't want that anyhow, so no loss.

 

[graxx]

As per the Qantas Club Terms and Conditions, the dressstandard is as follows:

10.7 - Smart, casual dress standards apply atall times. Individual lounge managers will have discretion to administer thesestandards as they reasonably deem appropriate in the circumstances.

When all is said and done, and said again and again, there are club rules that each and everyone agrees to when they sign up.
Thongs, singlets, shorts and other stuff doesn't comply with 'smart casual' in anyones' language. If you don't like it, don't join.
Qantas is working on it!!

 

[SeatBackForward]

Thongs, singlets, shorts and other stuff doesn't comply with 'smart casual' in anyones' language.

Except, that to some, it does.

Until Qantas provides indication on what they consider smart casual, it always remain subjective.

 

[mannej]

As per the Qantas Club Terms and Conditions, the dressstandard is as follows:

10.7 - Smart, casual dress standards apply atall times. Individual lounge managers will have discretion to administer thesestandards as they reasonably deem appropriate in the circumstances.

When all is said and done, and said again and again, there are club rules that each and everyone agrees to when they sign up.
Thongs, singlets, shorts and other stuff doesn't comply with 'smart casual' in anyones' language. If you don't like it, don't join.
Qantas is working on it!!

Define Smart Casual please? I see the words informal and neat pop up in the definition in more than one source.

Problem is shorts can be both informal and neat, so I can see issues with your view on smart casual.

If someone is neat, clean and well behaved in shorts and a top, what is the blooming issue?

I personally would drop the crusade, as there are much more important things to worry about TBH...

 

[doctau]

Except, that to some, it does.

Until Qantas provides indication on what they consider smart casual, it always remain subjective.

Absolutely, "smart casual" is horribly vague and means greatly different things to different people.

To mrsdoctau, it means you must have long pants (jeans etc are okay) and your shirt must have a collar.
To her aunt, it means jacket but no tie. For women, no skirts, only long pants or dresses.
To me, t-shirts and shorts are fine, but probably not singlets. Don't get me started on why some people think "sandals" are acceptable but "thongs" aren't.
To one of my friends, it means anything as long as it's clean and not torn.


To quote wikipedia "Smart casual is an ill-defined dress code that is generally a neat yet informal attire. The locality, type of event, context or culture constitutes the various interpretation of the dress code; and therefore the wearing and the designating of certain clothing pieces as smart casual is disputed". So in other words it means whatever you want it to mean.

 

[graxx]

Absolutely, "smart casual" is horribly vague and means greatly different things to different people.

To mrsdoctau, it means you must have long pants (jeans etc are okay) and your shirt must have a collar.
To her aunt, it means jacket but no tie. For women, no skirts, only long pants or dresses.
To me, t-shirts and shorts are fine, but probably not singlets. Don't get me started on why some people think "sandals" are acceptable but "thongs" aren't.
To one of my friends, it means anything as long as it's clean and not torn.


To quote wikipedia "Smart casual is an ill-defined dress code that is generally a neat yet informal attire. The locality, type of event, context or culture constitutes the various interpretation of the dress code; and therefore the wearing and the designating of certain clothing pieces as smart casual is disputed". So in other words it means whatever you want it to mean.

Hells bells, why are you all so arguementative.
Singlets, shorts and thongs are NOT 'smart casual'! It is open to interpretation, but not that much interpretation!
It doesn't mean Black Tie, it doesn't mean grey suits and tie, it doesn't mean formal, and it certainly doesn't mean singlets.

If you want to argue for arguement's sake, a 'Lounge' is just a room with seats. Members demand standards of finish and style, which is constantly being upgraded and Qantas thinks it has somew of the smartest lounges in the world. If members want that sort of accommodation then the least they can do is come into them appropriately smart!!
Standards people!!!

 

[SeatBackForward]

Hells bells, why are you all so arguementative.

Maybe its you being argumentative. Our argument is that its open to interpretation, yours is that it isn't open to interpretation. At least I know I'm right until someone does come up with a definitive definition that removes interpretation.

Singlets, shorts and thongs are NOT 'smart casual'! It is open to interpretation, but not that much interpretation!

You just said its black and white, now its grey?

It doesn't mean Black Tie, it doesn't mean grey suits and tie, it doesn't mean formal, and it certainly doesn't mean singlets.

Ok so not grey.

If you want to argue for arguement's sake, a 'Lounge' is just a room with seats. Members demand standards of finish and style, which is constantly being upgraded and Qantas thinks it has somew of the smartest lounges in the world. If members want that sort of accommodation then the least they can do is come into them appropriately smart!!
Standards people!!!

Who's standards?

 

[doctau]

Hells bells, why are you all so arguementative.
Singlets, shorts and thongs are NOT 'smart casual'! It is open to interpretation, but not that much interpretation!

So you say. The fact that people are wearing those things in the lounge, are debating in this thread, and many many threads before it, means that not everyone agrees.

It doesn't mean Black Tie, it doesn't mean grey suits and tie, it doesn't mean formal, and it certainly doesn't mean singlets.

Should we kick people out who are wearing a gray suit and tie, because it's not smart casual either?


In my opinion the Robustness Principle applies to lounges, "Be conservative in what you do, be liberal in what you accept from others". I'm not going to turn up in thongs and a singlet myself, but I really don't care what other people are wearing. Behaviour and not disrupting other people in much more important to me.

 

[Rebekkap]

In my opinion the Robustness Principle applies to lounges, "Be conservative in what you do, be liberal in what you accept from others". I'm not going to turn up in thongs and a singlet myself, but I really don't care what other people are wearing. Behaviour and not disrupting other people in much more important to me.

Oh exactly, EXACTLY. And for heaven's sake can't people avert their eyes if they don't like what people are wearing? It's not like if someone smells, or is being loud. Not much you can do to block out smells or yells, but you can look away if someone's singlet and shorts offend you!

 

[harvyk]

Hells bells, why are you all so arguementative.

Actually I do believe that you opened this particular can of worms... It was always going to be a subject which would get people fired up up until the inevitable thread closure by admin / a mod. Thus the comments about popcorn at the start.

As for the definition of smart casual? Gee that is pretty board. Casual to me is comfortable clothes, and provided it's not too cold outside that is thongs, shorts and shirts. By adding the word smart to me that basically means no ripped clothes, no offensive language on T-Shirts and tops must be worn (so no swimmers and nothing else like your about to have a day at the beach).

I expect that this definition is followed pretty universally.

 

[drewbles]

Define Smart Casual please? I see the words informal and neat pop up in the definition in more than one source.

Problem is shorts can be both informal and neat, so I can see issues with your view on smart casual.

If someone is neat, clean and well behaved in shorts and a top, what is the blooming issue?

I personally would drop the crusade, as there are much more important things to worry about TBH...

Great Timing!

What Does Smart Casual Mean? - The Age

 

[EmilyHoward]

I dress badly and my behaviour is poor...and I'm certain the decline of the Qantas lounges can be traced directly back to my first admittance.

Tony,

Please put video of this up on You Tube.

EH

 

[harvyk]

Great Timing!

What Does Smart Casual Mean? - The Age

Sums up this thread nicely... On a slightly different note I remember going to a "smart casual" beach wedding once, and again it was suits but no ties. I think appropriate smart casual very much depends on what you are about to be doing, and as flying is all about comfort, using the definition of smart casual I put above seems to be pretty much the order of the day with or without lounge access.