Qantas fleet rebuild piece

Twin aisled, on a long haul, or long Aust domestic haul/flight, means you or I can go and stretch our legs, up and down, when the plane has levelled out, and flying straight.
Single aisled, means its more conjested.
I prefer twin aisled, but, ... granted on a midnight flight on the way to PER, can be dreadful, as people will be trying to sleep, and the lights are dim, and you can easy bump into seats.
I guess its what QF feel is best.
 
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Isn't that already understood, as part of the A321XLR delivery covered earlier in this thread? Just another ET article rehashing old news, or am I missing something?


Paywalled, but the A330s are looking to be sold immanently, presume sale and leaseback? Sale to fund the purchase of their replacement.

Not sure who would buy them....
 
Apologies for dragging out this old threat but I thought better than creating a new one…

Enduring some of those old rattlers during past months, do we know what the latest timeline is for deliveries of all the flash new Airbus planes? I’m thinking particularly the A320s for Domestic operations but am curious about the others as well.
 
I’m thinking particularly the A320s for Domestic operations but am curious about the others as well.
I thought those were all for Jetstar? Not aware of any plans for QF to use A320 on standard domestic operations.

The A321-XLR's are targeted for FY25 and are intended primarily for international, though as discussed above they could be used on PER flights too, as they are basically an A330 replacement (despite being a narrow body).
 
Probably the A220, Aust QFd/QFlink flights, think it's {edit, start to get them in 2024} (when was that), complete order of 29 by 2027, I think.
QFlink more so, but they would probably fly these on more dom routes.
Cheaper to fly, ie that one plane can fly longer, PER - BNE with left over fuel.
 
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I thought those were all for Jetstar? Not aware of any plans for QF to use A320 on standard domestic operations.
Ah yes, you’re correct. So- what will ever replace this old 737s or will they be flying around for yet another decade? Some of the older ones REALLY are showing its age now, I must say. “Modern fleet” is different.
 
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Ah yes, you’re correct. So- what will ever replace this old 737s or will they be flying around for yet another decade? Some of the older ones REALLY are showing its age now, I must say. “Modern fleet” is different.

The A321s are going to start replacing the 737s, the first batch will be fitted with standard domestic config and are not intended for intl.
 
The A220s are a replacement for the QantasLink 717s, not for the 737s or A330s, albeit they have ordered 29 to replace 20 717s.

Qantas has ordered A350s and 787s to replace the A330s but they only start to arrive in FY27 and they have ordered 12 of each.

They have also ordered 20 A321 XLRs which are intended to replace 737s.

There is a big gap between the current number of 737s and the 717 and A321 replacements. It unclear how or when they are going to close it so I think we’ll be on those 737s for many more years yet…
 
Agree. The big question is 75 current 737's vs the number of A320 series ordered.

Last year QF noted "94 purchase order rights spread over a at least a decade" - iirc QF earlier this year extended the A220 order to 29, and I will assume those extras came from these 94 purchase rights. However, that's still scope for, over the long term, to replace all the 737's with A32x series (and yes, possibly some A220's). The mix of 320/321 that we end up will be interesting.

However since they say "... over at least a decade" says this is VERY long term, and the 737's will be with us till at least 2030 if not later. Clearly they will replace the older ones first, but still by the time they go the "youngest" 737's in the fleet will be near 20 years old.

I actually had a great conversation with a 737 FO on a recent flight about exactly this point (he wants to move to the 330 as a path to the 350 for his own reasons) but the 737 tech crews are both aware of the A320 series current shortfall vs the number of 737's. Additionally, of course, from the QF mainline pilot POV, the 220's are bad news as they're operated by QFLink (whoever has the contract..) and at lower pay rates. Now sure, the 220's won't replace many 737 routes, but given the bigger number of 220 orders vs the 717 fleet, and higher capacity of the 220's (137 vs 110) and the longer range, clearly QF see opportunity to trim some routes of 737 capacity for 220 - perhaps adding frequency to some routes that wouldn't support 2x737 for example.

Whatever it is going to be, we'll still have a majority of 737's still in the fleet for at least the next five years, and probably past ten....
 
However since they say "... over at least a decade" says this is VERY long term, and the 737's will be with us till at least 2030 if not later. Clearly they will replace the older ones first, but still by the time they go the "youngest" 737's in the fleet will be near 20 years old.
I wonder if they would consider a refurbishment of the seats for the 737s they'd consider using for another 10 years. The newer XL bins, seats with next gen charging and any modifications that they are already planning for the 321. I don't think I'd mind the 737 NG (or 330s for that matter) if the interiors were renewed.
 
Honestly if i think about it some more, having a revamped narrowbody to fit the current flying demands would be pretty good. A few more rows of extra space (maybe not quite row 4 size, but something like VA economy X) would be quite desirable. Possibly 4 rows of J?

That would make it stand out a bit more as the "premium" airline. Atm a full 737$ pretty much feel similar to JQ for the hard product.
 
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