Qantas Fleet Grounded 29/10

[drron]

The directors of QF seem to think the grounding was the correct decision-
Qantas board racks up frequent-buyer points

 

[drron]

No.It takes them a few years to get that title.I mean straight off the plane from Asia,Africa etc.Surely you remember Bundaberg Hospital.

Didn't that involve an Asian American?


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The problem with arguing for arguments sake is that sometimes you a just too clever.
Just note the highlighted letters-that takes care of your point.

 

[el_rooto]

The special thing about Qantas employees is that they have a Union. This is why the Chamber of Commerce and the Libs are so keen on removing collective bargaining. Collective bargaining means that the employed group have a slightly stronger hand in negotiations with an employer than "Individual bargaining".
From an employee's perspective, Individual bargaining is possibly a better model if you have a specialized or unique skill, and if you have a reasonably higher level of education (and some confidence). If however, you are in a functional and readily replaceable role than Collective bargaining can probably represent your interests better.

Now, let's say in a workforce of 7000, perhaps 1000 jobs are going to be offshored (and/or sub-contracted out to a lower paying shell company) then the 7000 employees will most likely vote (via their Union) to display their displeasure at the misfortune about to befall their 1000 colleagues. The remaining 6000 do this because they know that if/when the gun is now turned onto themselves, they hope for similar support from the collective. This also hopefully explains to the other (ideologically over-invested) posters how their bags will be unloaded in Melbourne.:shock: (I'm shocked that I had to explain this)

Will the workers/pilots win; probably not. But all those people sacked/made redundant in other industries (to which you refer) did not really have anyone sticking up for them - they just got bullied out the door. So, I like to cut the Qantas workers some slack, because ultimately they will be unemployed and that is sad. But if they can take a pound of flesh from QF management and have some dignity intact on the way out the door, then I won't begrudge them that. And I like to defend them in my small way against posters like yourself who seem to be devoid of compassion to their plight.

I find it very amusing that you're so pro-union when your display picture is the logo of an airline which does not allow its employee's to be union members.

 

[medhead]

The problem with arguing for arguments sake is that sometimes you a just too clever.
Just note the highlighted letters-that takes care of your point.

Can't see your highlights on iPhone, sorry. (best continue on as if I'm right ) But Patel was an American before coming to Oz. So he had to have been an asian american rather than just asian.

Edit: I see now, umm, what's an etc. between friends?????

Btw while off topic, I heard some interesting stories about a doctor/surgeon in whyalla. Some guy got slashed across his face and eye. Decided to drive to port Augusta or adelaide due to this doctor. Police stopped him and when he explained the situation, the cop said fair enough off you go.


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[ajw373]

The December issue of Australian Aviation magazine which has just arrived in my letter box has several very interesting and not to mention well balanced articles on the issues surrounding Qantas and it's current state and industrial disputes. Suggest those who don't regularly buy it or even know about it spend the $10 or so and have a read. Current issue has a black cover and white Qantas roo on it.

 

[browski]

I find it very amusing that you're so pro-union when your display picture is the logo of an airline which does not allow its employee's to be union members.

Emirates profit share with all emplyees, 14 weeks worth of salary it was worth this year. I'm not pro-union, I'm pro-accuracy.

 

[mannej]

I found your comments either ignorant or racist. I did not find them amusing. Emirates profit share with all emplyees, 14 weeks worth of salary it was worth this year.

How is it racist?

 

[fiscal]

Emirates profit share with all emplyees, 14 weeks worth of salary it was worth this year.

You are correct that there is a profit share scheme at Emirates, but from memory staff like Cabin Crew do not receive a high income even with profit share added. Admittedly it is tax free, at least if you are a resident of UAE, not sure how Australian based employees (if there are any) would fare?

 

[amaroo]

I found your comments either ignorant or racist. I did not find them amusing. Emirates profit share with all emplyees, 14 weeks worth of salary it was worth this year.

browski - you've just cross linked racism with profit....fair dinkum! As for ignorant IMO, el_rooto was making a fair & reasonable point.

Maybe it is time to call peace talks & move on....it's a pity because I've really enjoyed this thread & the banter that came with it...I don't want it to go but:!:

 

[drron]

You are correct that there is a profit share scheme at Emirates, but from memory staff like Cabin Crew do not receive a high income even with profit share added. Admittedly it is tax free, at least if you are a resident of UAE, not sure how Australian based employees (if there are any) would fare?

There certainly are and living on the sunny coast.

 

[browski]

How is it racist?

It's not. Prevoius posts from the good doctor were unhelpful and surprisingly ignored by the mods. I've attempted to correct the record.

 

[ethernet]

I find it very amusing that you're so pro-union when your display picture is the logo of an airline which does not allow its employee's to be union members.

Superimposed on the DEATH STAR, managed by Lord Vader.

I have a thought on outsourcing in Australia : It does not work very well for the parent ; moreso when shifting to a permanent provider : Nett savings are small, and shrink over time , but its good for the outsourcer shell company in some circumstances. Very bad for employees that get screwed down. Bad for companies that value reputation, as departing contractors with an axe to grind find it easy to traumatize hard won, high value customers. Therefore 'faceless' jobs like cleaning, baggage handling, engineers and refuelers or programmers are up for grabs. Eventually (Telstra, Dell, Tiger, Bank) customers look elsewhere. Never mind the fact the propensity to label oneself incorrectly as an 'contractor' is not enforced much by the Tax office, not catching out people working without the right kind of visa. Sure it is not a drivers relative that is actually driving the Taxi?

Some outsourcers make money by selling 'quality temps' back to the parent company - because they do a better job at recruiting and training and work ethic grooming. Leading to the conclusion that if you outsource permanent labour, the management is weak and unwilling to terminate non-performers - or too scared to (Union?) to lower rates themselves. Outsourcing is very useful for 'burn out' projects with sustained cash burns and huge overtime (ICT, Conflict logistics).

YMMV. But some firms are terminating Indian Call centres or offering options, because the law of the time
cost, quality triangle remains constant: Pick 2.