Qantas 'Enhances' Upgrade Rates

[RooFlyer]

I cant say I really miss either. My point was that every time QF changes something to the detriment of the punters it's described as "Simpler and Fairer", it's getting old, really old IMO.

Fair enough, but it was such an insulting, blatantly untrue (IMHO) bit of spin that it deserved a long, lingering death.

 

[JohnK]

I cant say I really miss either. My point was that every time QF changes something to the detriment of the punters it's described as "Simpler and Fairer", it's getting old, really old IMO.

Like "enhancement"? I don't use "Simpler and Fairer" but if people want to use the term then fine by me.

We have lost a lot the past 11 years and continue to lose. Minimum point guarantee hurt a lot. Dump cheap points on the market and then slowly increase redemption rates. My points earned from flying are becoming more useless by the day.

What next?

 

[RichardMEL]

OK this is getting OT IMHO but I will just add a little response to the responses to my comment yesterday

I'm not saying forget in any way. After all I brought up UC's I remember. I was just feeling a bit of the Princess Fiona's feelings that's all.

And for the record I never accepted or thought any change marketed as "Simpler and Fairer" was anything but, and the ridiculous changes post to partner SC earn and stuff were neither of those things also.

We in the community who care for such things know all this.

In the grand scheme of general QF flyers we're a very small number. Heck I had a friend tell me her husband got Gold but had no idea what it was about or for or what he could do with it. I just rolled my eyes.

Anyway harp away folks.

Now maybe we can enhance this thread by getting back to whining about the upgrade rate changes

 

[GoldCanyon340]

This thread needs to be made simpler and fairer.

 

[mviy]

So long as credit card sign up offers remain good I think I will be O.K., but it is disappointing to have the many points I saved hard for devalued unexpectedly.

I was tempted to upgrade to F at 60,000 points, but with the increase in points required the value proposition doesn't look as good. Would I be willing to experience F (upgrade from J to F) but perhaps have to give up the opportunity to upgrade from Y to J on another trip? It's a much tougher sell.

Saving points for goals requires long term planning. Unexpected negative changes requires some rethinking.

The main thing I've been saving my points for is to hopefully book some classic awards, but those have to be booked about a year out. If the points required for classic awards go up that will be much more disappointing. I would like it if more award seats were available for WP for long haul international on QF.

 

[CaptJCool]

The main thing I've been saving my points for is to hopefully book some classic awards, but those have to be booked about a year out. If the points required for classic awards go up that will be much more disappointing. I would like it if more award seats were available for WP for long haul international on QF.

Yes on QF FLIGHTS. seems to plenty of EK, CX and QR available closer to departure date

 

[mviy]

Yes on QF FLIGHTS. seems to plenty of EK, CX and QR available closer to departure date

As a QF Frequent Flyer QF flights are obviously what I'm after. The increased cost of upgrades means I'd like to see more award seats released on QF flights but I can't see that happening.

I am very disappointed with the changes to the number of points needed for an upgrade.

 

[katiebell]

I was tempted to upgrade to F at 60,000 points, but with the increase in points required the value proposition doesn't look as good. Would I be willing to experience F (upgrade from J to F) but perhaps have to give up the opportunity to upgrade from Y to J on another trip? It's a much tougher sell.

Saving points for goals requires long term planning. Unexpected negative changes requires some rethinking.

The main thing I've been saving my points for is to hopefully book some classic awards, but those have to be booked about a year out. If the points required for classic awards go up that will be much more disappointing. I would like it if more award seats were available for WP for long haul international on QF.

Given the constant reduction in F wine, food and amenities (and the decision not to build a Flounge at LHR despite being a flagship destination and F on flights) and the 25% increase in points required for the upgrade lottery I cannot see the value in using points this way any more. The points required has increased even more if we think back to the close timing of QF1 & 9 and QF 2 & 10: it was possible to request an upgrade for 45 000 pt for the longer sector and stay J for the shorter one. Add to that the loss of common rated destinations on BA from LHR and the difference between points earned and points required for upgrade lotteries is even greater.

 

[Limewood]

More points to upgrade

Sorry I'm lost on this new enhancement.

 

[esseeeayeenn]

This thread needs to be made simpler and fairer.

As in "closed"?

 

[Mike65]

Upgrades about to cost more

Hi All,

Many of you may know already but for those that don't, the following announcement reveals that upgrading from cheaper fares will cost substantially more points from Feb 20:
Qantas demanding more points for cabin upgrades from Feb. 20
That's a bugger for me as most of my travel is on the cheaper fares.
Question for the learned folk - I have a Y-J upgrade request in for QF94 on Mar 2. Will that be charged at the current or new rate if successful?

Mike

 

[ozmille]

Re: Upgrades about to cost more

Hi All,

Many of you may know already but for those that don't, the following announcement reveals that upgrading from cheaper fares will cost substantially more points from Feb 20:
Qantas demanding more points for cabin upgrades from Feb. 20
That's a bugger for me as most of my travel is on the cheaper fares.
Question for the learned folk - I have a Y-J upgrade request in for QF94 on Mar 2. Will that be charged at the current or new rate if successful?

Mike

I would say take a screenshot of the requested upgrade just in case you are charged higher you have something to fall back on and say, the upgrade I requested was X points

 

[mviy]

Re: Upgrades about to cost more

Old news: http://www.australianfrequentflyer....gram/qantas-enhances-upgrade-rates-79444.html

If your upgrade is confirmed before Feb 20 then it will be at the old rates or if you applied for it before the changes were announced.

QF94 is an international flight so won't be processed till a week or less out depending on your status and upgrade availability. So unless you applied for the upgrade before the changes were announced in November you would be charged the new rate if your upgrade is successful.

 

[katiebell]

Re: Upgrades about to cost more

As noted elsewhere the points are 'Qantas points' and no longer FF points. QF are clearly more interested in selling points to other businesses and earning dollars from them. For some years any improvments in the programme have gone to lower tier QF FF members and losses have been worst at WP level. Loyalty is no longer on the radar. The 25% increase in points for J to F upgrades is massive inflation and not the way to treat loyal premium pax. QF seem to use English in a novel way such as this extract from the QF loyalty home page:
[FONT=pf_din_text_cond_pro_lightRg]WE VALUE LOYALTY - IT’S THE CORE DISCIPLINE OF OUR BUSINESS
[/FONT]The recent loss of value seems to suggest that loyalty means being able to fool people that they are valued and that their points might actually be able to be redeemed fro something other than a toaster.
As the core business is no longer about rewarding frequent flyers perhaos it it time to rename the programme from Qantas Frequent Flyer to Qantas Pointspartners to more accurately relfect the core business.

 

[eminere]

Re: Upgrades about to cost more

 

[BacchusMarsh]

Re: Upgrades about to cost more

As noted elsewhere the points are 'Qantas points' and no longer FF points. QF are clearly more interested in selling points to other businesses and earning dollars from them. For some years any improvments in the programme have gone to lower tier QF FF members and losses have been worst at WP level. Loyalty is no longer on the radar. The 25% increase in points for J to F upgrades is massive inflation and not the way to treat loyal premium pax. QF seem to use English in a novel way such as this extract from the QF loyalty home page:
[FONT=pf_din_text_cond_pro_lightRg]WE VALUE LOYALTY - IT’S THE CORE DISCIPLINE OF OUR BUSINESS
[/FONT]The recent loss of value seems to suggest that loyalty means being able to fool people that they are valued and that their points might actually be able to be redeemed fro something other than a toaster.
As the core business is no longer about rewarding frequent flyers perhaos it it time to rename the programme from Qantas Frequent Flyer to Qantas Pointspartners to more accurately relfect the core business.

I thought you'd given up on Qantas waaaaaay back.

 

[JohnK]

Re: Upgrades about to cost more

[FONT=pf_din_text_cond_pro_lightRg]WE VALUE LOYALTY - IT’S THE CORE DISCIPLINE OF OUR BUSINESS
[/FONT]The recent loss of value seems to suggest that loyalty means being able to fool people that they are valued and that their points might actually be able to be redeemed fro something other than a toaster.
As the core business is no longer about rewarding frequent flyers perhaos it it time to rename the programme from Qantas Frequent Flyer to Qantas Pointspartners to more accurately relfect the core business.

It is definitely not Qantas Frequent Flyer these days. More like a frequent spender program.

 

[Deleted member]

I suppose that we would all have a grumble if all they (QF) did was award points for flying instead of the multitude of ways to generate points now. Consider this, you could pay cash for your groceries, or you could use your points earning CC. What does it matter if the points needed are more this week than last week? For years I would swipe my Flybuys card every visit to coles, with no reasonable expectation of EVER booking a flight with the points ( except now I have converted them to VA points). my patience has paid off, we have enough (VA) points for a J return to Perth. And that's without flying a single Kilometer with VA for 4 years!
So the QF points are frequent flyer points if that's what you spend the, on, or frequent shopper points if you're in need of toasters.

 

[opusman]

I will actually be in the market for a new toaster in about a year, hope I still have some points left.

 

[Longtoo]

Money also depreciates. The lesson for us is not to treat our FF as a long term deposit. Burn baby burn! The possibility that QF doesn't exist in 10 years time is not nil, just like ANSETT. We should just be loyal to our wallet.