Qantas and Dubai - what's really going on

[anat0l]

That's the worry.....:evil:

... CDG/FCO/ATH etc

Well, let's look at it another way.

If JQ start servicing these centres, their service and attitude had better bl**dy improve bl**dy quickly. No one really wants to p*ss off the French, Italians or Greeks....or even worse, all three of them at once......

 

[RSD]

The problem with connections to a lot of European cities could be overcome if they flew to Amman and then codeshared with Royal Jordanian as RJ service a pretty extensive range of European cities.

 

[drewbles]

It'd be nice if QF had better support for the service to FRA. That wouldn't be such a bad hub (notwithstanding the complaints received about FRAport itself, but it doesn't seem worse than LHR). Of course, QF do not provide connection support from FRA (or will force you to route through LHR anyway, i.e. via partner BA), which probably makes FRA an unattractive choice, but you'd think that if people were really sick of LHR and QF forcing them to connect through it, you would see:

• QF struggling to fill planes with good yields on the Kangaroo routes
• High loads on the SYD-SIN-FRA route, even if people had to get a separate itinerary to connect from FRA (which they would assume is a lesser evil than having to negotiate LHR)
• Low yields on all flights QF flights to/from Europe (come on, it can't just be the Brits alone who are supporting these routes)
• Connecting via other oneworld ports or marketed routings (codeshares) to get to where they want (e.g. QF to HKG and then CX direct to many European locations)
• Flying another airline in the alliance (e.g. CX or JL) that doesn't need connecting through LHR.

Patriotism for patriotism's sake is a ridiculously dumb excuse coupled with hypocrisy ad nauseum to subject one to what they freely admit is sadis_ punishment.

I guess connections are the issue. Last time I went to Europe for personal reasons I needed to get to DUS (Was actually visiting the Netherlands, but DUS is closer to where I needed to be by around 90 minutes vs AMS).

My only realistic non-EK option? MEL-HKG-LHR-DUS, with a 2 1/2 hour delay in HKG meaning I missed my connection in LHR (arrived 15 minutes before departure of the outbound on BA, which was the last for the evening - and the airport had suffered massive delays due to weather, resulting in BA protecting me to LH to CGN which wasn't madly convenient and after waiting 3 hours in the queue to check-in I gave up and took the overnight accommodation offer and flew out the next morning). I would have rather taken a one-stop, but my loyalty to status with QF/OW kept me on that route.

What's the likelihood of people going to LHR for the connections over FRA? What's the percentage of people who may be on business travel that have a 'Fly OW/QF/BA' policy or similar?

I'd say the reason LHR is so much better patronised over FRA is threefold. A) PAX want to go to London for their holiday, or their work. B) FRA is not marketed well enough and as you say, C) Lack of connections. The business travel is not on this route. They've been operated as a 2 class service for a long time now.

 

[moa999]

If JQ start servicing these centres, their service and attitude had better bl**dy improve bl**dy quickly. No one really wants to p*ss off the French, Italians or Greeks....or even worse, all three of them at once......

The problem with connections to a lot of European cities could be overcome if they flew to Amman and then codeshared with Royal Jordanian as RJ service a pretty extensive range of European cities.

anat0l - I would think the French, Italian and Greeks would be quiet comfortable with the Jetstar service levels and our way or the highway attitude.

RSD - Agree that AMM would provde QF with a lot more connections.
Could a A330/747 do MEL/SYD-AMM direct?

 

[RSD]

RSD - Agree that AMM would provde QF with a lot more connections.
Could a A330/747 do MEL/SYD-AMM direct?

I'm certainly no expert in this sort of stuff, but I just ran a few distances using a very simple webpage that calculates distances between cities and got the following -
Perth - Amman - 11,000km
Melbourne - Amman - 13,677km
Sydney - Amman - 14,087km
Melbourne - Los Angeles - 12,782km (just for comparison)

I found another website that lists Qantas as owning 6 747-400ER's and that website says that the MTOW range for these is 14,205km so it may be possible. An A330 doesn't have the range from what I saw on the same website.

Certainly a daily Perth - Amman would be very feasible, but I will leave it up to the aviation gurus on here to decide if Melbourne or Sydney - Amman is within the range of a 747-400ER given jet streams etc. Emirates currently operate 2 flights every day Perth - Dubai so surely Qantas should be able to make a daily Perth - Amman work with all of RJ's connections from Amman to Europe.

 

[mannej]

anat0l - I would think the French, Italian and Greeks would be quiet comfortable with the Jetstar service levels and our way or the highway attitude.

RSD - Agree that AMM would provde QF with a lot more connections.
Could a A330/747 do MEL/SYD-AMM direct?

A330 no, B747 no from SYD.

Travel Math have it at a click over 14,000 from SYD to AMM, and MEL to AMM is 13,600 km.

PER is 10,971 km, which the 744 is capable of.

No chance of it happening, as I think the chances of seeing a regular commercial 744 service from PER are well and truly over.

*This is using the range data obtained from the QF Website. Wikipedia have the A330-200 range listed at 12,500 km which changes my answer a little bit (in regards to PER)

 

[RSD]

A330 no, B747 no from SYD.

Travel Math have it at a click over 14,000 from SYD to AMM, and MEL to AMM is 13,600 km.

PER is 10,971 km, which the 744 is capable of.

No chance of it happening, as I think the chances of seeing a regular commercial 744 service from PER are well and truly over.

*This is using the range data obtained from the QF Website. Wikipedia have the A330-200 range listed at 12,500 km which changes my answer a little bit (in regards to PER)

Perth does seem to have been largely forgotten about by Qantas international unfortunately.

 

[straitman]

I'm certainly no expert in this sort of stuff, but I just ran a few distances using a very simple webpage that calculates distances between cities and got the following -
Perth - Amman - 11,000km
Melbourne - Amman - 13,677km
Sydney - Amman - 14,087km
Melbourne - Los Angeles - 12,782km (just for comparison)

I found another website that lists Qantas as owning 6 747-400ER's and that website says that the MTOW range for these is 14,205km so it may be possible. An A330 doesn't have the range from what I saw on the same website.

By the time you add in fuel reserves it would not be possible. :mrgreen:

 

[RSD]

By the time you add in fuel reserves it would not be possible. :mrgreen:

It's certainly possible from Perth though which would probably make sense in some ways - Qantas only fly east from the east coast so flying west from the west coast seems logical :mrgreen:

 

[markis10]

Looks like there will be more direct flights from regional locations according to AustAviation:

Etihad gains extra Aus rights | Australian Aviation Magazine

Emirates missed out on extra capacity.