Premium Travel for Peanuts eCourse Discussion

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Hi guys,

I'm looking at the AA knowledge centre article (Premium Travel for Peanuts (2) The Australian Frequent Flyer Knowledge Centre), and I'm interested in the points purchase option.

However, when I login and look at the points required when redeeming flights, I see $140Kpp per sector for SYD->LAX on Business/First AAnytime, but I can't see *ANY* availability on MileSAAver for the entire year on that sector. This is very different from the sort of figures quoted in the table (EG: MEL->JFK for 62,500 in business.)

I think I'm missing something! :)
 
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awards open, roughly a year in advance, .

Thanks. I was just amazed I couldn't find a SINGLE seat on ANY date for less than 140K points, including as far out as it'd let me go.

If they're so rare, perhaps AFF should be mentioned in the article, otherwise it's a little misleading and raises unrealistic expectations :)
 
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Thanks. I was just amazed I couldn't find a SINGLE seat on ANY date for less than 140K points, including as far out as it'd let me go.

If they're so rare, perhaps AFF should be mentioned in the article, otherwise it's a little misleading and raises unrealistic expectations :)

Well - I'd never personally buy AA miles in the hope of securing a Australia - USA saver award. Availability is very tight.

However - for just about everything else, AA has some real sweet spots - trans pacific from Asia to USA is fairly good for example. Australia to Asia is good on CX.

You could for example combine two awards to fly MEL-HKG on CX for 35K (one way) and then your choice of first or business class from there to a whole heap of USA destinations. It's more expensive that way (but still under 140K), but lots of options and you can stopover in Hong Kong etc etc
 
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Good advice thanks. I'll look into options beyond non-stop.
 
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Hi guys,

I'm looking at the AA knowledge centre article (Premium Travel for Peanuts (2) The Australian Frequent Flyer Knowledge Centre), and I'm interested in the points purchase option.

However, when I login and look at the points required when redeeming flights, I see $140Kpp per sector for SYD->LAX on Business/First AAnytime, but I can't see *ANY* availability on MileSAAver for the entire year on that sector. This is very different from the sort of figures quoted in the table (EG: MEL->JFK for 62,500 in business.)

I think I'm missing something! :)

As you've discovered, Australia-USA is a difficult redemption. This is true with many programs, not just AAdvantage. There are two specific factors that affect the particular redemptions you have mentioned. Firstly, Australia-USA flights are in very high demand, so they sell out almost immediately. Secondly, Qantas release their own flights to their members 353 days out, while for AA it's something like 331 days out. Once Qantas members have already had 22 days to snap up the best seats, the Business and first class options are often gone. Though keep in mind that airlines may release seats closer to the date of the flight if (a) many seats remain unsold, or (b) someone that had purchased an award ticket cancels.

There are some advanced techniques that can be used to get around this. For example, if you had a large Qantas points balance you could "reserve" a seat you wanted through Qantas at 353 days out, then cancel it (for a penalty of 5,000 Qantas points) a month later, purchasing it immediately with AA miles when the seat was returned to inventory. However, this involves a fair bit of risk (e.g. that the seat is never returned to inventory) and I wouldn't recommend that a newbie try doing this. A much better suggestion would be to look at other indirect options. As mentioned, Cathay Pacific via Hong Kong is a good one. AA miles can also be redeemed for flights via Tokyo with Qantas/JAL/AA, for example.

You should also find that it isn't so difficult to redeem AA miles on other routes. Availability on domestic and trans-Tasman flights is usually excellent. And availability to destinations like Asia and South Africa, while somewhat limited, is still generally workable during off-peak times.
 
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There has been a lot of interest in our Premium Travel for Peanuts eCourse and we have received many questions in relation to it.

I will answer a couple of the questions we have received here.

Do you know of any significant differences NZ vs Australia with AAdvantage?

The basics of buying and redeeming miles are exactly the same for Australians and New Zealanders. In fact, NZ-based flyers travelling to Australia stand to benefit greatly when redeeming AA points for Qantas Business Class due to the low number of miles and taxes required for redemptions within Australia and New Zealand - especially if travelling to somewhere like Perth or Darwin from NZ.

I have been trying to find out about the “infamous el-segund0 method”. I suspect that we will need to use it too, as our [New Zealand] credit cards (ANZ Visa, Mastercard) are pretty much the same as yours. Can you point me to a description of the method please?

This thread explains a little bit about the el-segund0 method. Basically, you may need to state that your country of residence is the USA in order for the payment to successfully process. This is the case if making a booking from American Airlines' US website and paying with a foreign credit card.

If you instead make a booking over the phone, calling the NZ phone number (09-308-4014), they may simply convert the tax component to NZD and charge you in New Zealand dollars eliminating the need for this. (For those within Australia, the AA contact number is 02-9101-1948.)

Feel free to continue the discussion by asking your own questions or leaving a comment in this thread, where the entire AFF community will be able to benefit from the questions & answers.
 
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We've had another good question: For a couple, would it be a good idea for both people to join each overseas frequent flyer program or does only one person need to sign up?

We would recommend that both of you join up to each of the featured programs that you may consider using in the future. As most programs have limits on the number of miles that can be purchased each year, and various different sweet spots, a good way to get the most value is for both of you to purchase miles. Then you'll be able to potentially gift each other miles, overcoming purchase limits.

Also, in a current American Airlines AAdvantage promotion the sweet-spot for getting the best value is actually to purchase 80,000 miles, and not the maximum. Purchasing miles between the two of you offers greater flexibility to take advantage of these kinds of anomalies.

In any case, all of these programs cost nothing to join so you have nothing to lose by signing up.
 
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I also recently completed the Premium Travel for Peanuts ecourse.

I must confess that after some initial excitement I was a little deflated when I read the posts here on how hard it is to use AA miles for travel between Australia and the US. I am planning our (my wife and I) trip a long way out and because of our retirement will have a lot of flexibility with one exception. I want to be in the US (New Jersey) at the end of September 2017 for the Presidents Cup golf.

We also plan to visit the United Kingdom, Canada and Alaska and I dont think it will matter in which order we do each country as long as we are in the US for the Presidents Cup.

At the moment I have a dilemma which is to work out which way to go with our flights. I am really attracted to the Oneworld 280,000 point business class option but right now have exactly half of the points required. I think though, if I tried hard enough I could get another 280,000 by about October 2016 mainly through credit card bonus points.

On the other hand I like the idea of buying AA miles at a discounted rate to use in J Class. There is currently an offer that expires on 4/1/16 with generous bonus miles (about 50%)

A few questions:

1. Is it as difficult to get AA reward flights from Australia to Britain as it is to the US? or even Canada or Alaska?

2. On the chart in the e-training it says 62,500 miles will cost $1379 at 40% AA bonus. There is currently a promotion where 62,000 (plus 30,000 bonus miles) can be purchased for $1829. Have I misunderstood something or has the purchase price changed since the training was published?


3. Based on my planned trip in 2017 does anyone have a view on the best option for flights?








 
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Hi ramboflyer,

The lack of availability between Australia and the USA, especially in Business class, is a major problem in most programs. AAdvantage is no exception.

In reality, AAdvantage and Qantas members have access to the same pool of award seats through the oneworld alliance. But Qantas release award seats on their trans-Pacific (and all other) flights 353 days in advance. The few seats that are released at this time are usually gone within a matter of hours - it can be very competitive! 330 days before the flight, any remaining seats will become available to AAdvantage (as well as Alaska Airlines) members. But by this point it's rare to find remaining Business or First seats.

Getting to North America using AA is usually possible, but probably not on direct flights. You may find that you're able to get a seat if you travel via Hong Kong (using Cathay Pacific), Japan (using Japan Airlines) or Fiji (using Fiji Airways). But for these redemptions you would need to purchase two separate awards, i.e. Australia-Asia and Asia-USA. It will be a little more expensive to do this.

Getting to Europe with AA miles is not as difficult as there are far more options. AA miles can be used to fly on the likes of Cathay Pacific, Japan Airlines, Malaysia Airlines etc. via Asia or Qantas/Qatar Airways via the Middle East. You can even use Etihad Airways via Abu Dhabi - and availability is pretty good - but for Etihad you would need to pay for two separate awards between Australia-Abu Dhabi and Abu Dhabi-Europe. And if you get really stuck there is always the southern route via South Africa. ;)

Having said all of that - if you are planning to travel in 2017, it is probably not a good idea to stockpile AA miles. American is increasing prices on award redemptions for bookings made after 22 March 2016. Some of those increases are substantial, and remove much of the value proposition out of buying miles. Flights to Asia are still good value, but not so much for Europe or the Americas. See here for more on that: http://www.australianfrequentflyer....age-award-devaluation-bookings-mar-72185.html

If you're still keen to buy miles, Alaska Airlines still has an excellent award chart. The same problem with Qantas availability to the US exists, but with Alaska you can also redeem miles to fly Cathay Pacific or Fiji Airways with one stop to the USA. You can even travel on Korean Air via Seoul!

To answer your question about the cost of AA miles, the price quoted in the guide includes bonus miles in the calculation. I.e. if there was a 40% bonus promotion, then 62,500 miles would only cost the price of ~45,000 miles. (The rest are given for free in the form of bonus miles, to bring the total to 62,500.)

Regarding your final question, my personal view is that you should continue to work towards accumulating enough Qantas points for 2x 280K oneworld awards. These are one of the best ways to spend Qantas points and there is a great deal of flexibility with these. You will certainly be able to get to all the places you want to visit in 2017 if you are prepared and book well in advance, using oneworld awards. And you are more likely to find availability on Qantas flights to the USA using Qantas points, rather than AA or AS.

But if you aren't able to reach the required number of Qantas points, buying miles in other programs is certainly an option. And don't be put off by the difficulty of redeeming them between Australia and the USA - it should be easier on most other routes. :)
 
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Thanks for the informative reply. I think I will work toward getting enough points for the Oneworld 280k award booking x2. I didn't mention in my first post that we will also be going to Italy so that probably gives extra flexibility. So that I dont have to go through the 298 pages of the oneworld atw thread :D can a Oneworld booking be done on the Qantas site or must it be through the call centre? I'm thinking that once the time comes I may prefer to pay the extra points and ask the call centre to do the itinerary or maybe use the resources available here?
 
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Thanks for the informative reply. I think I will work toward getting enough points for the Oneworld 280k award booking x2. I didn't mention in my first post that we will also be going to Italy so that probably gives extra flexibility. So that I dont have to go through the 298 pages of the oneworld atw thread :D can a Oneworld booking be done on the Qantas site or must it be through the call centre? I'm thinking that once the time comes I may prefer to pay the extra points and ask the call centre to do the itinerary or maybe use the resources available here?

You will generally need to call Qantas to book oneworld awards anyway (and pay the fee of $60 or 6,000 points per ticket). The call centre staff will be able to help you find award seats, but it will be far easier for both you and the agent if you have already found available award flights before calling.

Having a basic understanding of the oneworld award rules and a knowledge of oneworld airlines will help with this. Before calling up, you can search for availability on most oneworld airlines using the Qantas website. Japan Airlines, Malaysia Airlines and S7 flights don't appear, but can be found on the British Airways website.

If you get stuck, I'm sure that AFF members will be willing to help. :)
 
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I think I will work toward getting enough points for the Oneworld 280k award booking x2.

Since my previous post I have been busy applying for new credit cards with bonus points for signing on. I've done this before but for some unknown reason I used my wife as an additional cardholder instead of applying for her own card for double bonus points. I signed up both of us for our current CBA amex cards which are about to get the boot before the annual fee becomes due next month.

Anyway if it all comes off I will have an additional 480,000 bonus points in my account by mid year.

NAB 180,000 - they sent my wife 2 cards (an online application timed out part way through but they still sent the card)

ANZ 100,000 - the best part of these cards is no annual fees in the first year. I kind of regret not trying for the 75,000 point card despite not qualifying for the income test

Jetstar 40,000 - we have this card already and I like it for several reasons. My wife is an additional cardholder and I thought we would apply for a card in her name. Not sure how that will work out.

Qantas Amex - this current offer is way too good to ignore. 80,000 bonus points x 2 and 2 Qantas lounge passes. A cheap annual fee with the only downside being 1:1 point earning power. I'll delay applying for this until late February to give time for the qualifying spending part on the other cards.

The hard part will be spending the required amount in the timeframe although the NAB card spend is quite low.
 
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