Pilot Obeys ATC Command; becomes News Ltd Headline

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Re: Landing aborted seconds from runway

Yep, this is about the worst so far

In fact my last landing into Melbs was aborted due to 734 not getting a move on....Happens 2-3 times a day. But they dont see it that way.

also, how do they know it was exactly "400 Feet, 300 Passengers"?? Doubt the crew would have the slightest interest in a friendly chat to the media.

Pax and their stories:cool:
 
unfortunately medhead, your post shows very little understanding of aviation and air traffic control.... NM's explanation is very good. Go around happen on a regular basis!


+1 , I could not have said it better myself NM, and yes Tower ATCs do not have POB numbers readilly available nor do they like to create extra work for themselves by keep an aircraft in the air for longer than is necessary!
 
And why not they deserve it? I've been on a go-around and witnessed several over the last few years, and these have not needed reporting. I suspect if it had been a 737 or a Saab it would not have made the news, somehow the 747 has a newsworthiness to it that other aircraft types don't.

The whole nonews approach to all this is really sympotmatic of a wider issue with news coverage - and the divide it is causing within Australia - those who believe and take to heart the scaremongering and those who don't (aka "nonews bashers:). I do know a few people who (whilst happy to J-walk across a busy road), if they read this would mark this down as another reason why perhaps they should be even more scared of flying ...
It has nothing to do with what aircraft it was, if it's a Qantas aircraft then it will make the news.
 
This is only anecdotal but it seems to me that all of this anti-Qantas "reporting" is having an adverse effect on Qantas' reputation. I was having lunch with a group of eight last week and the topic of which airline to fly was raised. I came out in support of Qantas and at least three of the others replied that they were worried about safety issues on Qantas and so deliberately flew other airlines. One even cited "all the recent accidents" as her reason for avoiding Qantas! :shock: Needless to say the ensuing discussion was quite vigorous...

I'm +1 with this... When I say I fly with Qantas I can see people gasp... I then ask them why and their response is they wouldn't fly QF because of all the problems they have had recently...

Sadley I vaguely remember this type of hysterical reporting about Ansett (don't quote me on it as I was anything but a frequent flyer back then) about a year out from it's demise, I do hope that the same fate doesn't await Qantas due to some nonews editor...
 
medhead,

I was going to comment on your apparent lack of understanding of Aviation procedures. I don't need to as everyone else appears to have beaten me to it.
It really is insignificant.
 
Also since your so big on the facts been reported, why are some critical pieces of information missing, was 400 ft above or below decision height? Did the pilot still have enough fuel to do the procedure safely? Were any pax disadvantaged (eg missed connecting flights) due to the go-around, and if so how did QF handle that?
The only important thing is that the aircraft made a go around, rejoined the traffic pattern and then made another approach for a normal landing.

It all really is quite normal. ;)
 
Sadley I vaguely remember this type of hysterical reporting about Ansett (don't quote me on it as I was anything but a frequent flyer back then) about a year out from it's demise, I do hope that the same fate doesn't await Qantas due to some nonews editor...

Can QF pursue legal avenues for "defamation"?

I note they still feature advertising on News Ltd. sites for their sales.

Someone at QF must of seriously p***ed off one of the heavies at NoNews Ltd. :evil:
 
Now back to the subject Mrsdrron was on QF389 recently when it made 2 aborted landings during a typhoon.Sorry doesnt count-the plane didnt have the red rat on its tail:shock:.

Codeshares have copped their fare share of action.

Qantas passenger dies on flight | The Australian

Note the emphasis on 'Qantas'.

This was the feature story for about a day or two on NoNews.com.au
 
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Well looks like I win the prize for most mis understood post of all time. Suppose I should ahve used more :). But I'm not going to be :oops: about the fact that you lot can't realise when someone is taking the p1ss :p

Some brief explainations:

1. Is the herald sun a news limited paper.
I wasn't sure, couldn't be bovvered to check - not taking the proverbal. But still some got a bit serious on this point....:confused:
2. What I read was 2 pretty straight forward stories that present the facts
Now this is important so do pay attention, and this is probably my serious point. It was a factual story, yes they might have put in a few more facts. But it was factual and that means the story doesn't actually blame anyone with anything (at least I can't see where it does). Sorry nowhere does the story blame qantas or anyone else. No case for defamation!!! :rolleyes:

3. It is newsworthy because it is an australian airline, 300 people are a lot of people, who might have been in an accident with the "congestion", and it was a 747 the aircraft that lets us all get overseas from the remote Australian island - i.e. an iconic aircraft in the Australian situation.
4. "because of congestion" - this is news worthy because it is indicative of poor service from the government via Airservices Australia. i.e the controllers are getting the bashing for threaten the perfect record of the national carrier, Qantas. - implied conclusion IMO
5. by the same token - the airport is getting the bashing because of the congestion at their airport caused by poor facilities that threaten the perfect record of the YADA, YADA, YADA - again implied conclusion depending on interpretation

I'm truely indebted to all you people with your vastly superior knowledge of all things to do with aircraft movements and operations. (do I need the :rolleyes:, or might you understand my meaning here).

[aside=] who would have guessed all those things that you so kindly edumacated me with, poor dumb me who knows nothing at all about this stuff. Like Rita, I feel so up lifted, so raised up out my place of darkness now. [/aside] (Too over the top?)

But seriously, I am very grateful to NM for explaining things, that is the great thing about AFF and especially the mods :straight face

But then I have no idea WTF the details of aircraft movements has to do with my comments. . My comments are about the quality of journalism in this country. The only thing that I read in that story that might be taken as blame was the reference to "congestion" I'm simply trying to point out that the journalist could have been trying to point the finger at a number of other causes for the "routine procedure" (beside qantas). (NB no one seemed to disagree with my outline of the iconic nature of a qantas 747)

The hows and whys of the congestion don't come into it, other than to explain why it would be wrong to blame someone for the congestion. (due to all the reasons and facts pointed out by the experts here). But then that is my comment, we have such high quality journalist here that they don't let the facts get in the way. (Whoops, that would mean that I actually understood that it would be wrong to blame the ATC or airport for the congestion)

I hope you all found that edifying. Sorry if I was a slightly incredulous at having to explain this concept. Really, I shouldn't ahve been so insulted about being taught to suck eggs, especially as I must ahve been thinking in such a complex and abstract way.

6. weren't you lot all here complaining about how the almost worst avaition disaster (EK late lift off) in Australian history was not reported in the papers. So they didn't report a takeoff/landing/airport incident and you whinge, now they do report it and you whinge

But then who cares?
An incident where procedure wasn't followed but it worked out ok. How is that any more newsworthy than a situation where if procedure isn't followed 2 planes could crash, but lucky procedure was followed and it worked out ok?

Please understand this is a rhetorical question. Note my earlier comments on standards of journalism. I don't expect or want an answer.

Note that this could actually be a good news story about how great our procedures are and the qantas piilots and the ATC and just everyone involved. Hard to say, maybe this "routine procedure" is a factual story with no basis. :0
 
Did this incident get reported ;) Anyway it's a great picture.
Photos: Airbus A319-112 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net

And quote.
[FONT=ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva]I was the F/O on the 319, we were on an approx 3 mile final, we at 125kts fully configured to land, qantas at approximately 140kts, I guess, fully configured. Qantas instructed to stay in trail as per required for a visual paired approach to SFO 28L and 28R, but eventually called to ATC unable. We offered to speed up but at that point Qantas called going around. He climbed away to 3000ft uneventfully, the picture must have been taken just at the point he started the pitch up. Spectacular as he was nearly level with us at the point of go around initiation. Shame some people think this is a fake picture. Actually go arounds on a paired approach are unusual, the spacing and speed differential just didn't work out this time. Great shot though.[/FONT]
 
If I was the reporter on this story I would be ecstatic with the response from this forum. One little factual space-filler generating 4 pages of vitriol on AFF.

And go-arounds may be commonplace to some but in 40 years of flying and hundreds of landings I have only experienced 1, so I think there is a certain amount of curiosity when they happen.
 
And go-arounds may be commonplace to some but in 40 years of flying and hundreds of landings I have only experienced 1, so I think there is a certain amount of curiosity when they happen.


Good point, but still not newsworthy. It's just a bit "smalltown".
 
One simple question,

Does QF only advertise in fairfax ? and not nonews ?
it seems that nonews does put a lot of in-direct advertising as
their "stories", one example is real estate every monday...

now talk about go-around, I was instructed by ATC to go-around 10 seconds from landing during my SECOND SOLO, and have to follow another plane on downwind, that was un-forgettable given I was only doing second solo, have to find the plane which I need to follow, and perform all the go-around procedures with prescribed altitute and speed etc etc....

now full power and flaps up !
 
Yeah and.....

This is Australia, "small town" is the core audience

No, bogans are the audience...

I don't read news limited publications for their high quality journalism. I read news limited for it's pathetic attempts to sensationalise non events for the lower socioeconomic masses...
 
No, bogans are the audience...
Yeah exactly - "smalltown"
I don't read news limited publications for their high quality journalism. I read news limited for it's pathetic attempts to sensationalise non events for the lower socioeconomic masses...
And personally, I've taken note of the format of the Sun in the UK and I don't read any newspaper that is comfortable to read in a airplane seat*. This is reinforced every time I flip through the Adelaide Adevertise for the grog ads. (NB I read the sun in PAris once and it is far worse than any Australian evquivalent)

I read broadsheets only - meaning The Oz in Adelaide. It is trying to take itself seriously and doesn't usually get hit with the cough mass market journalism.

*Except the Financial Review
 
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