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[UP4014]

I tend to agree with the people who think deportees shouldn't be on commercial flights. Some exceptions of course. If someone is being deported they obviously want to stay and we don't want them here, their situation is they have little to loose.

I don't want someone like that on the same plane as me as a preference.

Matt

 

[JohnPhelan]

I suspect Peter Greste is on a commercial flight as we speak!

 

[UP4014]

I suspect Peter Greste is on a commercial flight as we speak!

But he wanted to be deported.

 

[Denali]

Bigots may be in the majority but they can't force those of us who still have a shred of human decency and compassion to be silent.
Bigots deserve to have their lives disrupted. The more the better.

I keep having this image in my head of being told, "We must all be free thinkers. You MUST ALL agree with me or you are wrong!"

Accusing people of collaborating with naz_s because they refuse to believe what you believe in this matter is offensive, and I don't get offended often.

 

[esseeeayeenn]

As usual, the morally self-righteous think that anyone who disagrees with them is a bigot.

And that, in the prosecution of their cause, they have the right to enforce their view on everyone else.

There's another word for this - selfish.

The irony is that these people - who claim to be concerned about others - are actually only concerned about their own importance.

As usual people throw up straw men and fail to exhibit basic comprehension skills.

I don't think anyone who disagrees with me is a bigot. But it is undeniable that the antipathy towards asylum seekers is largely based on bigotry and racism.
That's why there is no such antipathy towards the greater numbers of white europeans who arrive by plane and overstay their visas.

Nowhere in any of my posts have I suggested that these particular people had a "right" to this particular form of protest.

What I have said is that there is a place for civil disobedience and it is inherently disruptive.

I suppose the other (white) passengers on the bus were angry with Rosa Parkes for disrupting their bus journey.
But without protests such as hers most of America would still enforce segregation.


It is interesting that you regard people like Rosa Parkes, Mahatma Ghandi, Martin Luther King and Neslon Mandela as "only concerned about their own importance".
They're generally held in fairly high esteem.

 

[TomVexille]

Nowhere in any of my posts have I suggested that these particular people had a "right" to this particular form of protest.

What I have said is that there is a place for civil disobedience and it is inherently disruptive.

So you do agree that they broke the law.

I'm not going to argue about the right to protest. I just don't think they chose a wise time and place to do so.

Although you could argue that they picked a good one since we're all talking about it.

 

[omgbomb]

I just don't think they chose a wise time and place to do so.

Although you could argue that they picked a good one since we're all talking about it.

Probably the most sensible post so far

If a protest occurs when and where it is "appropriate", then it isn't a protest, it's a rally for the status quo...

These protesters breached the rules but they didn't put any one in danger, the delay was minimal and we're all talking about it. Fairly successful protest.

Protester should probably get a slap on the wrist

 

[drron]

Funny but one of the definitions of bigot in the Webster dictionary is a person who is extremely intolerant of another's creed, belief, or opinion.
So people who hate bigots are indeed bigots.

And as to the suggestion that the antipathy to asylum seekers is largely based on bigotry and racism is just plain absurd.
I object to the arrival of asylum seekers because they are those largely who are better off having paid large sums of money to get here.By doing so they have thwarted the attempts by genuine refugees in camps overseas whose places they have taken.After the overturning the policies of the Howard government the number of refugees accepted from overseas plummetted to ~ 600 in 2013.In 2014 this had risen to ~ 20000.
Since meeting 2 Bhutanese refugees last year who had been living in a Nepalese refugee camp for nearly 10 years until last year when Australia finally accepted them the more am I convinced that the current policy is correct.Nothing to do with bigotry or racism just a different opinion to many here.

 

[Quickstatus]

Bigots are generally found by looking in the mirror

Moral superiority always seem to include name dropping.

The mantra "Stand up for what you believe in" is generally a good ideal. However, in a modern diverse democratic and pluralistic society, it is generally advisable to temper ones opinion/beliefs and take into account the views of others. By respecting other views ,diverse as they may be, a reasonable debate can occur unlike what is happening here.

 

[ajd]

Non genuine asylum seekers are not welcomed.

Under the current government (and several previous ones), genuine asylum seekers aren't welcomed either...

 

[drron]

Under the current government (and several previous ones), genuine asylum seekers aren't welcomed either...

What rubbish.Under the current Government genuine refugees who are forced to reside in overseas refugee camps stand a much greater chance of Australia accepting them.The number of refugees accepted from overseas has risen from ~ 600 in the last year of the previous government to 20000 in the first year of the current government.

 

[JohnK]

Any of us who can afford to fly at all, let alone frequently, is rich and extremely priviliged by global standards.
The vast majority of the world's population will rarely, if ever, board an aircraft.

Civil disobedience has to be disruptive or it will be ineffective.

Do not disrupt my time. You have no right. I decide what to fight for. Not you or your friends.

Bigots may be in the majority but they can't force those of us who still have a shred of human decency and compassion to be silent.

Bigots deserve to have their lives disrupted. The more the better.

Who defines a bigot? You?

 

[mannej]

Do not disrupt my time. You have no right. I decide what to fight for. Not you or your friends.

Totally agree, like I said choose a more appropriate time and place to protest. Would they have listened in the case of an emergency before take off?

Who defines a bigot? You?

That's ironic isn't it. We come here to discuss issues with Frequent flying and aviation, not the moral/ethical issues, unless we choose to do so in the Playground. I personally think it's a bit rich to question our moral compass based on what little is known of us from our online activity on here.

 

[OzEire]

So Australia is akin to naz_ Germany
Time for me to unsubcribe from this thread...

Remind me again, doesn't this have a name... there's a 'rule of the internet' which states that the longer an online discussion continues, the chance of someone being labelled a naz_ grows towards 100%.

 

[RooFlyer]

Under the current government (and several previous ones), genuine asylum seekers aren't welcomed either...

Odd observation, but as they say, never let the facts stand in the way of an argument. Fact sheet

By weeding out economic 'asylum seekers', and those who try to buy their way in via a flight to Indonesia, then a people smuggler, there is more room for genuine refugees. You know, the pathetic figures huddled under tents for years in Ethiopia.

Probably the most prejudiced Prime Minister with respect to refugees (at the time, the Vietnamese 'boat people' after the fall of Saigon) was one Edward Gough Whitlam, who was famously quoted by his own Immigration Minister Clyde Cameron in his book:

[Foreign Affairs Minister] Don Willesee came to see me with a request that I accompany him to Whitlam’s office. He wanted to get a ruling on the admissibility of certain categories of refugees … Whitlam stuck out his jaw and, grinding his teeth, turned to Willesee and thundered, “I’m not having hundreds of cough*** Vietnamese Balts coming into this country with their political and religious hatreds against us” … I could have hugged him for putting my own view so well … [Willesee] made a special plea for Vietnamese who had been employed by the Australian embassy, claiming that we had a moral obligation to take them into our arms. Whitlam rejected this plea out of hand.

 

[esseeeayeenn]

Wonderful to see so many speaking out for their right not to be inconvenienced by the suffering of others.

 

[juddles]

Remind me again, doesn't this have a name... there's a 'rule of the internet' which states that the longer an online discussion continues, the chance of someone being labelled a naz_ grows towards 100%.

Godwin´s Law, I think??

 

[juddles]

....Any of us who can afford to fly at all, let alone frequently, is rich and extremely priviliged....

Says Mr QF Platinum (and Virgin Gold?).

Please feel free to share your wealth with those that cannot afford to fly.

 

[RooFlyer]

Wonderful to see so many speaking out for their right not to be inconvenienced by the suffering of others.

Just had a look at one's flight map. Certainly one's travel doesn't seem to have been too inconvenienced by the suffering of others!

Looks like one has flown right over ... oh! Sri Lanka ... to ... Dubai? Nice stop-off? Tsk. All those workers from the sup continent and Asia, in terrible conditions just to make one's stop-over and trip that much more enjoyable. The shopping isn't bad there, but I've seen better.

Lotsa flights to/through Hong Kong. Ever a thought about the proclivities and methods of the PLA? Great yum cha though.

Egypt, Cairo and Luxor. Hmmm ... enough said. Hope one wasn't inconvenienced by the regime there. Certainly some journos have been; but the Valley of the Kings is fabulous; never mind.


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[toowongman]

Wonderful to see so many speaking out for their right not to be inconvenienced by the suffering of others.

Give it a rest, this isn't the forum to be banging on about the rights of asylum seekers. It's Australian Frequent Flyer.