Passengers kicked off flight over seat recline spat

[MEL_Traveller]

And the non-recliner has not paid for the privilege of using every single device?

The non-recliner has paid for the same privilege, but are choosing not to use some of it. No refund or compassion there.

Everyone pays for food and drink as part of their fare. But some won't drink on the plane, or eat. Or watch the IFE they have paid for. Those choosing not to partake don't get any other benefits in consideration.

 

[JohnK]

The non-recliner has paid for the same privilege, but are choosing not to use some of it. No refund or compassion there.

Rubbish. The non recliner loses use of their meal tray immediately the seat in front reclines. They may want to have a drink. They may want to use a laptop. They may want want to play solitaire old style. They may want to do sudoku.

So we have already determined that if a person gains greater comfort due to injury by reclining what happens to the person behind who is not able to recline? Tough luck?

This is a one-way debate with lots of high-fives. I am looking to get my rights back. It is not a lot to ask to have half the seats recline and the other half without recline.

Do you have anything useful to add to this debate without shoving your rights down my yhroat?

 

[woodborer]

This is a one-way debate with lots of high-fives. I am looking to get my rights back. It is not a lot to ask to have half the seats recline and the other half without recline.

You could always negotiate with the person in front of you. Heck, if I am ever seated in front of you on a BNE-SYD flight, feel free to chuck $20 my way to have me not recline

 

[Warks]

Rupert's rags seem obsessed by this issue:
Is it okay to recline your seat on a plane? — Opinion

 

[ashleyn]

So rather than this never ending discussion about recline or no recline, can we clever and experienced travelers come up with some ideas the airlines might actually implement to solve this problem ?

 

[robd]

So rather than this never ending discussion about recline or no recline, can we clever and experienced travelers come up with some ideas the airlines might actually implement to solve this problem ?

My suggestion is no recline in economy. Problem solved.

 

[mannej]

I struggle to see why there can't be a compromise regarding this topic. I am sure the non-recliners wouldn't mind if the recliner would recline a fraction of what is capable, with the recliner still having a degree of comfort from the recline.
Having such a cut and dry aversion surely is the root to the problems.

 

[hossein_au]

I struggle to see why there can't be a compromise regarding this topic. I am sure the non-recliners wouldn't mind if the recliner would recline a fraction of what is capable, with the recliner still having a degree of comfort from the recline.
Having such a cut and dry aversion surely is the root to the problems.

Do you mean you expect people to behave in a civilised and polite manner towards each other??!! If nothing else, this thread is proof how wrong you and I are in our assumption of prevalence (or lack thereof) of common curtesy in society.

 

[dajop]

So rather than this never ending discussion about recline or no recline, can we clever and experienced travelers come up with some ideas the airlines might actually implement to solve this problem ?

Personally I think the newer style seats that combine the recline and the seat base moving forward are a reasonable compromise. Better than those that fully recline and much better than the shell seats that only go forward. In my experience knees, meals and laptops all survive a recliner much better with those sort of seats.

 

[JohnK]

So rather than this never ending discussion about recline or no recline, can we clever and experienced travelers come up with some ideas the airlines might actually implement to solve this problem ?

I don't understand what is so difficult having a fraction of the seats with recline and the remainder without recline.

The perfect solution is a shell seat but the recliners whinge they are uncomfortable. Huh! Uncomfortable. Get it?

 

[Warks]

And yet another story about it:
Passenger James Beach talks of reclining seat incident

 

[mannej]

And yet another story about it:
Passenger James Beach talks of reclining seat incident

Perhaps I am profiling based on the article, but all I read into it is self entitlement. Now he knows the seats on Spirit don't recline, he can fly them for all eternity.

Like I have mentioned previously, compromise makes a lot more people happier.

 

[boomy]

And yet another story about it:
Passenger James Beach talks of reclining seat incident

Clearly they were both in the wrong but as the guy in the video interview says, disobeying the cabin crew is a federal offence so once these idiots will get punished for their actions (I'm talking fines, heavy fines) maybe other pax will learn that it's just doesn't worth it.

 

[suze2000]

Perhaps I am profiling based on the article, but all I read into it is self entitlement.

Nope, that's what I read too. Those devices should be banned and I'm glad QF and VA already have. No matter how you feel about recline/no recline, the knee defender is a device specifically designed to inconvenience someone else. Is this what we have become?

 

[eastwest101]

I don't understand what is so difficult having a fraction of the seats with recline and the remainder without recline.

The perfect solution is a shell seat but the recliners whinge they are uncomfortable. Huh! Uncomfortable. Get it?

What about a trial existing seating with the left hand side of the aircraft recline allowed and right hand side recline pivots disabled, run with current online and airport seat selection and allocation system? Once we see what the percentages are, then we could look at more long term/expensive seat reconfigurations or other options.

 

[BadgerBoi]

I don't understand what is so difficult having a fraction of the seats with recline and the remainder without recline.

The perfect solution is a shell seat but the recliners whinge they are uncomfortable. Huh! Uncomfortable. Get it?

It's not just the recliners, everyone who sat in them whinged that those seats were uncomfortable.

 

[JohnK]

What about a trial existing seating with the left hand side of the aircraft recline allowed and right hand side recline pivots disabled, run with current online and airport seat selection and allocation system? Once we see what the percentages are, then we could look at more long term/expensive seat reconfigurations or other options.

Nothing wrong with that suggestion.

I would trial it. The only downside is people in each camp forced into the other side due to limited available space.

 

[russ]

I think the passenger involved has identified the key issue:

They’re selling the same space twice — to me to sit down and then inviting people to put their seat backs there as well

 

[eastwest101]

Nothing wrong with that suggestion.

I would trial it. The only downside is people in each camp forced into the other side due to limited available space.

True - a bit inconvenient in the short term on full flights, but after a few weeks/months trial I think it would become apparent very quickly what the ratios are. Then configure the cabins/seats in that ratio.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

I think the passenger involved has identified the key issue:

the passenger identified the issue to suit his needs. He conveniently omitted that the space he bought (including his ability to recline), he didn't want to use. He chose not to maintain his total allowed space, because it suited him.