Palaces and The Sahara

The next palace was the Palace of Westminster where I learnt for the first time ever that Westminster Abbey is in a different building to Big Ben and the Houses of Parliament...oops! I took pictures, though, of the outside of the Palace of Westminster, does that still count?

My actual ticket was for Westminster Abbey, which is across the road, and I'm glad I didn't know that before coming here because I don't think I would have made time to go to "just a church" (see previous comments about smiting). It wasn't until I was in there that I thought "oooohhhh, this is where Diana got married, and the recent coronation of her cheating husband took place". Yeah, I don't pay too much attention to England and the royals.

Hey @n7of9 I may have messed up my Cathedral and religions but though I do know my weddings - Diana married Charles at St Paul's and funeral was at Westminster 🤭
 
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Thanks again for taking the time to put your trip report together on the fly, for our information and entertainment. Your views and comments on all things Royal and England-ish mirror ours, more so MrsK (although she's not into Star Trek).

For a different take on the Royal Family, watch this show. You'll never be able to take them seriously again :)
 
It is really interesting reading your TR.

Over the years I have spent many months in London and it’s great to see it through someone else’s fresh eyes.

The ceiling in the chapel at Hampton Court is just amazing.

Just to confuse you there is Westminster Abbey and Westminster Cathedral nearby (which is much smaller and Catholic)

The V&A is always on my list of places to visit in London, and I feel like I’ve only scratched the surface. I do understand your unwillingness to visit the British Museum, but I can’t let that stop me seeing some of their wonders.

I won’t get into a discussion/argument about the pros and cons of the royal family but I sure as hell wouldn’t want to be one of them.

Andrew doesn’t live in Windsor Castle but in a huge house within Windsor Great Park. He still lives with Fergie but her reputation has been blotted lately with the news that she was still corresponding with Epstein after he was charged and a number of charities she was patron of have distanced themselves from her. I’m not going to say anything else but you can google anything else you want to know about this.
 
Interesting point re museums and 'stolen antiquities'. I'm rather with @Human 's Louvre guide. For instance, take artifacts of Aboriginal people taken from Australia in colonial times. If they hadn't been in museums all this time, they wouldn't have survived (being mostly 'disposable'). Is having nothing better than stuff being in a museum?

In many jurisdictions, up to the twentieth century, the authorities just didn't care what was taken by collectors - in fact a lot of the time it was the authorities who were corruptly selling them!

So, personally while some of the items in the BM may have been illegitimately obtained, many would be in a 'grey area' and many others perfectly legitimately obtained (eg 'Treasure Troves' found around the UK ...). The BM is a wonderful place to visit.
 
AF LHR-CDG-CMN in Y, A223 (squishy, but flying in and out of Morocco is expensive!)

My transfer at CDG was 1h 20m, same ticket. Before take off they indicated we would be an hour late, but they made us board regardless... and then we sat on that effing plane going nowhere, and sat and sat and sat. Even if I did make my connection, my bags wouldn't. They did say the issue was bad weather in Paris so maybe my connecting flight would also be delayed.

Delay departing LHR, 1h
Delay arriving to CDG, 30m
Delay at CGD terminal change and security, 20m (dude in from if me had a knife concealed in a credit card, wtf?!)
Delay departing CDG, scheduled 20m, actual 1h
Delay arriving into CMN (with my luggage), 1h 15m
Time it took me to find my driver because I walked out of the wrong exit, 20m of panic

I didn't get around to exchanging any pounds for Moroccan dirham in London, all the money exchange places looked super dodgy. Glad I didn't, I just read while waiting for my flight at LHR that you can only bring a max of 2,000 d's into Morocco... that's only $330.

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Our first night is in a stunning villa in Rabat. So far the promised "upgraded" accommodations are perfect. The tour company is Explore, a UK group, so the only Australians are me and one other couple, everyone else is British.

Lane markings and pedestrian crossings are mere suggestions, and blinkers so alien I'm wondering if they are considered rude gestures.

Rabat has the cleanest public spaces and streets I've ever seen, even dried leaves are picked up.

I asked the guide what time we'll hear the mouadib instead of muezzin ..IFYYK.

Morocco is mainly agrarian, and no fruits or vegetables are imported. Unfortunately they've been in drought 7 years and it is proving quite difficult. In an effort to become less dependant on weather, they've entered the car manufacturing market and the guide was very proud to announce they just recently exported their 1 millionth car. They've also started solar farms and now export solar power to England, annoying France. Their diplomatic ties with France have deteriorated so much that after a 2023 earthquake Morocco refused aid from France.

Medicinal canabis became legal, but recreationally it is still considered very illegal and the guide specifically warned us against purchasing anything questionable. But he did point out twice that they are Sunni Muslims meaning they can go from the mosque to a bar.

Morocco has the most retched and malnourished cats I've ever seen :(

Mosques here have minarets, not domes, because Morocco was never occupied by the Ottomans so their architecture remains andalusian-inspired.

In 1975, 350,000 Moroccans took part in the Green March, a peaceful protest where Moroccans walked to Spanish Sahara to lay claim to the area. Spain did withdraw from the territory, but it lead to armed conflict and guerrilla warfare between the Sahrawi indigenous to the area wanting sovereignty and self-governance of what is now known as Western Sahara, vs Morocco and Mauritania wanting control. 70% of it is currently occupied be Morocco, and while many world States have officially recognised its sovereignty, including Australia, Morocco's claim is supported by both France and the USA. It is often referred to as Africa's last colony.

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Winding through the narrow streets of Chefchaouen to our Ryad by foot (our luggage taking another mystery route), our guide pointed out an ATM and restaurant options. When we got around the corner down a lane left here right there up those stairs and just behind that blue wall to our accommodations, I told him if you paid me lots of money I wouldn't be able to find the ATM or the restaurants. He said "no it's just there". Okay buddy, how about I leave you at the Myer escalators on the corner of Market and George Streets and tell you to go down, turn left, and find platform 5 at Town Hall station. At least I didn't get brain damage from the bidet spray because I have one at home and know how to use it, so there! (proper post on Chefchaouen next time).

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Spain in the right, Morocco on the left (I think that's the Rock of Gibraltar just above the jet engine)
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Hassan Tower, building started in 1195 and it was intended to be the tallest mosque in the world, but when that current ruler dies, they lacked funds to complete it. It now stands excavated and reconstructed next to the mausoleum for King Mohamad V, and is UNESCO World Heritage listed.
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Kasbah of the Udayas, overlooking the Atlantic Ocean. "Kasbah" is the name given to a fortified city in North Africa. This has existed since 1150, though the majority of the current Kasbah was expanded by Moors expelled from Spain in 1609, and the following 100 years.
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Villa Mandarine, Rabat
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When we were in Morocco a couple of years ago the Government was actually considering changing the recognition of french as one of the National languages to English.
They've done it! Some schools have already swapped teaching French for English
 
Interesting point re museums and 'stolen antiquities'. I'm rather with @Human 's Louvre guide. For instance, take artifacts of Aboriginal people taken from Australia in colonial times. If they hadn't been in museums all this time, they wouldn't have survived (being mostly 'disposable'). Is having nothing better than stuff being in a museum?

In many jurisdictions, up to the twentieth century, the authorities just didn't care what was taken by collectors - in fact a lot of the time it was the authorities who were corruptly selling them!

So, personally while some of the items in the BM may have been illegitimately obtained, many would be in a 'grey area' and many others perfectly legitimately obtained (eg 'Treasure Troves' found around the UK ...). The BM is a wonderful place to visit.

I am sorry @RooFlyer and @Human I must disagree with this argument.

Stealing isn’t preserving. Taking cultural objects without consent severs them from the people, languages, rituals, and sites that give them meaning. Having them available for your viewing pleasure doesn’t justify the cultural and heritage damage caused to the locals.
You cannot pillage a culture and later say it survived because of the “pillage”.

As far as the Islamic state and Taliban destroying historical artefacts is concerned, they are not alone. Western countries are equally guilty of similar destruction in wars they have instigated. For example
  • Iraq, 2003: After the U.S.-led invasion, the National Museum in Baghdad was looted of ~15,000 objects; the National Library and Archives were burned—failures of protection amid occupation. The Guardian+2Wikipedia+2
  • Babylon, 2003–2004: Coalition forces sited a base on the ancient city, causing documented damage to the archaeological fabric. UNESCO Digital Library+2Art Newspaper+2
  • Belgrade, 1999: NATO airstrikes severely damaged protected cultural architecture (e.g., the Generalštab complex) and other historic structures.

The bottom line is Preservation without consent is dispossession. If the goal is survival and access, the path is repatriation plus partnership—shared custody, conservation funding, and training with source communities—so objects endure with their people, not despite them.

Apologies @n7of9 for derailing your thread, but as someone from an affected culture whose artefacts are now being “preserved” in various museums across Europe I felt the need to speak up
 
Apologies @n7of9 for derailing your thread, but as someone from an affected culture whose artefacts are now being “preserved” in various museums across Europe I felt the need to speak up
No apologies necessary. I also have my culture preserved elsewhere for my benefit, and it makes me angry. I went to the Pergamon Museum in Berlin and just sat in the corner and cried.
 
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CEHFCHAOUEN
Chef - look at
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First built in 1471 by Moors exiled from Spain, it was a good strategic spot for their new city, with the mountains at the back keeping them safe, and the water from the natural springs keeping them alive. They built a kasbah in the middle of the medina to retreat to when their enemies, the Spanish, the Portuguese, and the Moroccan King, would invade. The Spanish Moors succeeded in keeping their city.

The blue walls were believed to confuse the mosquitos who would fly into the walls thinking they were water; but they also celebrate the bright blue sky which would make them happy after months of rain and snow in the mountains. Newly painted blue walls on a home signify a recent wedding having taken place, and a blue pathway on the ground signifies a dead end street. Each nail on a home's door is for a child born into that family, so more nails shows greater strength over many generations.

They have many fig trees but because the area sees a lot of natural rainfall the fruit is not very sweet, so less desirable. Locals still come down from the mountains once a week to sell their fruits and vegetables, and purchase what they need in return, though the main crop now in this area is cannabis.

Other than the blue walls, the homes and streets look much like my grandfather's village in Greece. When I was a child and forced to go visit I would complain "nnnooo I don't want to go, it's old and it smells". 45 years later and from the other side of the Mediterranean, I'm now saying "oohh aahh so pretty, wow". We still own that house, I can go whenever I want to... the irony of life.

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I'm struggling with the food, or rather the lack of options. Tagine (beef, chicken, vegetable); couscous (beef, chicken); panini (beef, chicken); pasta (beef, chicken); pizza (beef, chicken). We had a traditional meal in a family's home, tajine chicken. They also served a large platter of various salad ingredients which was very much welcome and I was able to also eat an orange. I'm not a vegetarian and eat most things in life (the only two items I can think of that I don't eat are watermelon and okra), but it seems that my brain needs more variety on offer for it to be happy with what it's consuming. Tajines are great, but I don't need to eat stew more than once every 6 months, I need more texture.

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A final walk through Chefchaouen in the early morning before all the stalls were open, winding our way down the narrow streets unencumbered, our luggage again taken down by luggage fairies. We have one very well travelled older Englishman on a walking stick with us and I hung back from the group to make sure he was keeping up...aaaand I got us lost! Without the stalls open the main route wasn't obvious, and we exited at a different gate. All the streets look the same all the gates look the same all the blue doors are blue. I had to send a WhatsApp picture to our guide of a restaurant across the road so we could be rescued...oops.

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Chefchaouen, though everything looks like a perfect postcard, no amount of pictures can capture the beauty of it
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Chefchaouen wares
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A random restaurant
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The magical luggage fairy
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Chefchaouen cats (soooo many cats! and not a mouse in sight)
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Ryad Lina. they have a lovely rooftop but it was overcast so we didn't see the sunset
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VOLUBILIS
Volubilis was the southern most point of the Roman Empire, to the north, Scotland.

Berbers were here since the 3rd century BC, until 40 AD when Caligula killed the Berber king, and claimed the site for Rome, together with Rabat to the west and Tangier to the north. With a limestone quarry nearby, the city had fertile soil and mountain springs. Arabian horses were exported from this area to Rome. At its height, Volubilis had up to 12,000 inhabitants.

The Romans kept the city for 300 years before the local tribes retook it, and 700 years later it became an important Islamic seat.

The site was rediscovered during French Moroccan rule, and is today a UNESCO site. The mosaics are stunning!

Legend says Hercules came to Morocco when Europe and Africa were still connected, and he separated the continents to build the Mediterranean Sea. I don't know why they bother with such legends when Atlas already created the Atlas Mountains and the Atlantic when he was at war with Zeus.
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FES
There are 10,000 alleyways in the old medina which has existed since 808 AD. Salt was traded here from Salt mines in the Atlas Mountains, and exported in the 16th century - 1 kilo of salt was equal in value to 1 kilo of gold. The holes in the external walls of the medina are from the scaffolding used during building, but they leave them there for ventilation as it helps the wall dry quicker after rain

There is a 14km wall around the medina; 170 mosques; and 200,000 people currently live here. The French built Fes New Town in 1912 but Moroccans weren't allowed to live there, it was for the French only.

We visited pottery works where we saw how the clay tiles are made for their mosaic works. The workers today get paid per tile so they are very productive. They bring clay from the mountains, add water, put it into moulds, and then wait for it to dry in the sun.

We saw carpets being handmade - a 3m x 2m carpet can takes 18 months to complete, and costs about A$5,000.

We visited a tannery, the oldest in North Africa dating from the 11th century, and they continue to use the same processes today - pigeon poop and water (and it stank like nothing else). Locals keep pigeons and collect the poop to sell. 1kg of poop is bought for 100dh (A$16). They tan skins from goats, sheep, camel and cows, with goat leather being superior for its strength, softness, and water proofing...even the suede is water proof.
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The old Medina of Fes is an assault on every one of your senses, and it's just everyday life for the people living here. Donkeys remain a valid form of transport. Meat is sold unrefrigerated, decapitated camel heads indicate that stall sells camel meat.

We saw the oldest and first university in the world, but later Google told me it was opened as a mosque teaching Islamic literature rather than having been the home of philosophers and historians. We've seen shrines to teachers, and various guides talk about teachers with reverence, but then you find out that they are not teachers of mathematics and history and science, but of Islam. The Arabs made great advances in mathematics, they gave us Arabic numbers and Algebra, but none were talked about by our guides.

The Constitution in Morocco is constantly changing and each King brings his own version of life, recently allowing women to work. According to our guide, the women are now taking all the jobs ("even in education" he said incredulously) leaving many men jobless...and jobless man can't get married. Please, won't someone think of the men!

He told us about their marriage traditions, arranged marriages, and 3-day wedding ceremonies. If you can't talk to a woman alone how do you meet her? You see a woman, you find out who she is, a female family member of yours might go to that local hamam and scope out her family, then your father goes to her father and they decide if you can have her! You then have a couple of chaperoned conversations, and off to your wedding you go. You sell men and it's called slavery. You sell women and it's called a dowry.

They live in Fes now exactly as they lived a thousand years ago, and probably how they lived in Volubilis a thousand years before that, except now next to the pomegranates you can purchase a fake Louis Vuitton bag from a man wearing a North Face shirt. Fes was a good experience and essential when travelling to Morocco, but I can't say I ever want to visit it again.

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Volubilis, I'm really glad the tour included this site. As nothing was ever built on top of the site the mosaics have survived in their original designs.
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Fes, we walked 7km through the medina with a guide directing us the whole way. He no longer lives there, but he grew up there and expertly knew every street, not once doubled back or checked where he was going. You would get lost for days without one.
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Palais d'Hotes, Fes - absolutely stunning hotel. The waiter thanked us for staying with them and for eating at the hotel 2 nights in a row because it allowed him to earn an income. The hotel had no alcohol officially, but each time we ordered something he got on his motorbike and went to a back-alley to buy some. We could pay for everything else on our room, but alcohol had to be paid in cash separately before you left the table...and you had to drink it ALL
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Thank you for the brilliant pictures!

We did the same itinerary, minus Fes, back in February. Your pictures are bringing back great memories.

We trained and self-drove. Driving itself is easy… just the police you need to be aware of… they set tourist traps!
 
… just the police you need to be aware of… they set tourist traps!
Our tourist bus is usually waved through but we were stopped today because we are deep in the Atlas Mountains. With the bus door open the cop was talking to the guide and I was sitting at the front seat. When the cop looked at me I panicked a bit so overcompensated by smiling, waving and saying Hellooooo. When he smiled back I said "salam aleykum" and he laughed and let us go 😅
 

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