Oneworld separate ticket interline changes

[cmon0005]

In the end I'll just be booking QF on one ticket with UL from sin on a separate ticket its all to hard! Haha

 

[madrooster]

How likely is it that a TA will get near that price? Obviously, I need to secure P class bookings to make the SC add up.

Guaranteed. The fare is available for sale worldwide and isn't restricted to US point of sale.

 

[bosox76]

FM, in your experience if QF is late to the extent you missed the onward AA flight (separate ticket) what has been the response from the airlines?

Up until this point, my experience on 2 occasions when then inbound QF flight was significantly delayed, AA automatically put us on the next available flight that they thought we would make. I think this happens while in the air and they can calculate your estimated arrival time. Although on of our trips the flight was so delayed we had to overnight in LAX. Not sure who arranged the changes on that occasion (i.e. QF or AA) as we were met by the QF F host. I say arranged very loosely as it took over 2 hours to get to the hotel and check in as the hotel we were sent to had no idea we were coming but that's a whole different story

 

[JohnK]

In the end I'll just be booking QF on one ticket with UL from sin on a separate ticket its all to hard! Haha

SIN would be one of the easiest airports for this connection if there is easonable connection time.

I have set myself up for failure in 4 days time. On separate tickets UL BKK-HKG followed by QF HKG-SYD ~3 hours later. Transfer desk can handle bags if they are not checked through but I have ordered 2 bottles of alcohol on UL with expiring miles which need to go into checked luggage and I also want to try and get departure tax refunded landside as I am only transitting. Any delays and I am stuffed.

In the future I will still have these types of connections as they cannot be booked online easily.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

SIN would be one of the easiest airports for this connection if there is easonable connection time.

I have set myself up for failure in 4 days time. On separate tickets UL BKK-HKG followed by QF HKG-SYD ~3 hours later. Transfer desk can handle bags if they are not checked through but I have ordered 2 bottles of alcohol on UL with expiring miles which need to go into checked luggage and I also want to try and get departure tax refunded landside as I am only transitting. Any delays and I am stuffed.

In the future I will still have these types of connections as they cannot be booked online easily.

UL890 has a pretty good on time record. But I'd say you could be anywhere up to 45 mins late and still be comfortable. Even if there were longish immigration queues (unless you have e-channel?) you'd have your bags within 30 or so minutes, giving you 1hr45mins to check-in, get the refund, get back to the lounge/gate. Plenty of time

 

[RooFlyer]

Jeez, TA must be smiling this morning! We make award/revenue bookings all the time that have "other OW bookings" squeezed in the middle and bookended either side .... hopefully, airlines will peg this service based on status.

Cheers, looks like I'll need to find a good TA. Been booking independently for the past 10+ years without a worry in the world... however, these changes (when enforced) make me cold.

TBH, I'd rate this service higher than just about all status benefits...hopefully, sanity prevails and they at least provide FOC for high status flyers.

Or just lots of stop overs . we have just about abandoned connections and stay overnight. Like you I haven't used a TA in many years. Given that Qantas likes you to book at Qantas.com you wonder if they will be happy if everyone reverts to TAs in order to have one PNR?

I used to wonder why I didn't seem to have many of the issues that get discussed on AFF when using mixed airlines/alliances/tickets, but then I realised it was because my TA did all sorts of things to give me a (relatively) seamless experience. Looks like that service just got more valuable .

 

[Quickstatus]

So... (part 2)...

If I already have a QF revenue seat (via QF website) can I later get a connecting TA sourced AA ticket inserted into the first PNR?

 

[madrooster]

So... (part 2)...

If I already have a QF revenue seat (via QF website) can I later get a connecting TA sourced AA ticket inserted into the first PNR?

No, that's not possible as I previously highlighted to amaroo.

 

[Flying mermaid]

I used to wonder why I didn't seem to have many of the issues that get discussed on AFF when using mixed airlines/alliances/tickets, but then I realised it was because my TA did all sorts of things to give me a (relatively) seamless experience. Looks like that service just got more valuable .

Well given Mr FM (who normally lets me do whatever I like), is insisting on stopping over everywhere and no connections, I don't think this will affect us at all. Using a TA would take half my fun away. I always feel I get double my money's worth. First the planning and fun of booking and then the actual holiday.

 

[RooFlyer]

Well given Mr FM (who normally lets me do whatever I like), is insisting on stopping over everywhere and no connections, I don't think this will affect us at all. Using a TA would take half my fun away. I always feel I get double my money's worth. First the planning and fun of booking and then the actual holiday.

Agree with all of that . Lots of enjoyment in planning and I often stop over when travelling for leisure, but having done most of the grand designing, I then hand it all over to the TA to refine, book and stitch together.

When travelling for work, its the same TA and obviously more important to get an efficient itinerary, including mixed carriers.

 

[atreides]

Quite frankly, this will direct a fair chunk of business away from OW carriers. Now that I have to recheck my bags regardless, I will simply look at the best operator, equipment or fare of the day.

 

[Boris spatsky]

I don't think it is unfair, to be honest. As an airline pilot we are frequently asked airborne by passengers whether they will make their very tight connections, only to be advised that they have booked two separate PNRs to avoid the minimum connection time issue. I think it is a good move and fair to get people to book connections on one PNR.

 

[ScottM]

Apologies if this was covered earlier, but I didn't read the entire thread [famous last words! ]

If you are booking two separate itineraries you aren't covered by travel insurance in the event of something happening between the two flights.

 

[RooFlyer]

I don't think it is unfair, to be honest. As an airline pilot we are frequently asked airborne by passengers whether they will make their very tight connections, only to be advised that they have booked two separate PNRs to avoid the minimum connection time issue. I think it is a good move and fair to get people to book connections on one PNR.

The behaviour you describe is pretty dumb, and I have no sympathy for it - but it would be mainly domestic, wouldn't it? The issues most here are complaining about is the impact on international itineraries, especially where non interlining between flights (previously allowed and 'normal') will mean a pax may be required to collect luggage, go landside through immigration (may need a visa where none was required before), then re-check bags and get BP.

That's abominable.

 

[Boris spatsky]

Normally domestic to international connection.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I don't think it is unfair, to be honest. As an airline pilot we are frequently asked airborne by passengers whether they will make their very tight connections, only to be advised that they have booked two separate PNRs to avoid the minimum connection time issue. I think it is a good move and fair to get people to book connections on one PNR.

This is surprising. I can't think of good reason why passengers would do this and risk losing their onward tickets and the start of their holiday or work commitments. They simply don't have a motive from a MCT point of view.

Many passengers are however forced to buy separate tickets for a variety of reasons - for example because they are on awards. You might have a ticket on Thai ex SYD and have to make your own way there. Not sure about Virgin, but QF make this a difficult exercise by not wanting to through check your bags.

Sometimes passengers might get the timing wrong with their connecting flights (underestimating the time needed to connect), but I'm not sure it's a deliberate attempt to circumvent MCT.

 

[dajop]

I don't think it is unfair, to be honest. As an airline pilot we are frequently asked airborne by passengers whether they will make their very tight connections, only to be advised that they have booked two separate PNRs to avoid the minimum connection time issue. I think it is a good move and fair to get people to book connections on one PNR.

Surely this will still happen even with the new rules. People will always try to push the envelope. I'd always thought even where protection is offered on separate PNRs, there is no protection if not meeting MCT, and the systems wouldn't allow luggage through check if it doesn't meet MCT!

 

[Sdtravel]

Surely this will still happen even with the new rules. People will always try to push the envelope. I'd always thought even where protection is offered on separate PNRs, there is no protection if not meeting MCT, and the systems wouldn't allow luggage through check if it doesn't meet MCT!

Im sure i witnessed some pushing of the envelope this evening.
Arriving in Sydney this evening 20 min ahead of schedule i saw several people walk access from Gate 2 to Gate 1A which was in "Final Call". They had boarding passes and i assume HLO and surely must be two separate PNR as i don't see how they can be sold such a fare.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Im sure i witnessed some pushing of the envelope this evening.
Arriving in Sydney this evening 20 min ahead of schedule i saw several people walk access from Gate 2 to Gate 1A which was in "Final Call". They had boarding passes and i assume HLO and surely must be two separate PNR as i don't see how they can be sold such a fare.

Could be a variety of reasons. They could have been delayed earlier in the day and still had a valid ticket for the flight on 'final call'. They could have had boarding passes for a later flight but were trying to get on standby for the earlier one.

 

[PaulST]

The reality, I suspect, will be that people with OW status will still stick with an OW airline because the whole process of collecting the bag, re-checking and going through security it will be lot faster (thanks to the perks of being able to drop the bag at the J/F counter and go through priority screening). We'll be annoyed, but still fly OW. It'll be less of an issue for those with elite status with several alliances, though.

I'm not looking forward to an upcoming ANZ flight later in the month as I've forgotten how to queue and have no status at all with Star Alliance.