Oneworld separate ticket interline changes

[defurax]

Now relocated to the very bottom of the document with an updated reference of 18 May 2016. Further changes in store? :?:

And all that could be because QF CX and BA (I suspect the major connecting partners) have stated they won't handle IRROPs on two PNRs.

Happy wandering

Fred

AA's through checked baggage policy was updated on June 3rd, hopefully it stays that way for the foreseeable future: https://ssc.aa.com/prmportal_enu/Ag...ugh Checked Baggage with Separate Tickets.pdf

 

[dajop]

If you want to read a staunch defence of the airline position - the QF section of Flyertalk has one well known contributor unemotively outlining the airlines reasons for this. Be careful though, as usual when reading such posts it may make you want to throw a brick at the computer screen or throw your phone out the window.

 

[madrooster]

AA's through checked baggage policy was updated on June 3rd, hopefully it stays that way for the foreseeable future: https://ssc.aa.com/prmportal_enu/Ag...ugh Checked Baggage with Separate Tickets.pdf

The lack of mention of the case of separate PNRs leaves it quite open for interpretation too...

 

[RooFlyer]

If you want to read a staunch defence of the airline position - the QF section of Flyertalk has one well known contributor unemotively outlining the airlines reasons for this. Be careful though, as usual when reading such posts it may make you want to throw a brick at the computer screen or throw your phone out the window.

I hardly ever visit FT, and haven't done so for ages. But I can guess who you are talking about. Life is too short for such tripe.

On the other hand, I don't mind a bit of sport now and then ...

 

[wandering_fred]

And "over there" I predicted that joint venture operations will eventually be the only through ticketing / baggage checking outside of filed tariffs and single PNRs. Note that AA has joint ventures with BA and QF and serious code share agreements with CX. No so much with the partner airlines (except AA)

Happy wandering

Fred

 

[ComeFlyWithMe]

This seems like the previously excellent Oneworld arrangement with QF is coming to an end, meaning it might as well be the mish-mash of the VA pseudo-alliances and it's various quirks and inconsistencies.

 

[JohnK]

UL890 has a pretty good on time record. But I'd say you could be anywhere up to 45 mins late and still be comfortable. Even if there were longish immigration queues (unless you have e-channel?) you'd have your bags within 30 or so minutes, giving you 1hr45mins to check-in, get the refund, get back to the lounge/gate. Plenty of time

Refund was not so easy. They need to see detail breakdown of taxes paid showing HKG departure separately. None of the documents I have show that breakdown. Had to get Qantas to print off itinerary with breakdown of taxes.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Refund was not so easy. They need to see detail breakdown of taxes paid showing HKG departure separately. None of the documents I have show that breakdown. Had to get Qantas to print off itinerary with breakdown of taxes.

Yeah - sorry - I do that as a matter of course now. For anyone needing this service in future, full details are here: Civil Aviation Department - For Travellers

 

[kpc]

If you want to read a staunch defence of the airline position - the QF section of Flyertalk has one well known contributor unemotively outlining the airlines reasons for this. Be careful though, as usual when reading such posts it may make you want to throw a brick at the computer screen or throw your phone out the window.

Let me guess. ..an ex AFF moderator

 

[mannej]

Let me guess. ..an ex AFF moderator

That's a very noble guess from you!

 

[Conrad_S]

At the risk of being labelled as a defender of the airline position. I would imagine these changes are only going to impact a very limited number of people.

 

[RooFlyer]

At the risk of being labelled as a defender of the airline position. I would imagine these changes are only going to impact a very limited number of people.

You are defending the airline position. . If it involved only a very limited number of people, then one wonders why they bothered doing it.

 

[BD1959]

If you want to read a staunch defence of the airline position - the QF section of Flyertalk has one well known contributor unemotively outlining the airlines reasons for this. Be careful though, as usual when reading such posts it may make you want to throw a brick at the computer screen or throw your phone out the window.

No bricks handy in this asylum!!

Regards,

BD

 

[timster]

According to the advice I'm hearing from several TAs, they as the 'owner' of the original PNR can add flights from separate bookings to the original PNR.

So does this open up the possibility of booking initially on the QF website and then, when additional bookings are made, ringing QF to have those added to the original PNR ... to avoid this interline problem ?

Or would QF simply refuse to do this ... even though they can ? Anyone ever done it ? Any P1's or CL's out there who want to try it now for post-September bookings ?

 

[ozbeachbabe]

According to the advice I'm hearing from several TAs, they as the 'owner' of the original PNR can add flights from separate bookings to the original PNR.

Do all these TA's use Amadeus?

If not and use another GDS like Galileo and they are talking about adding information segments into their GDS pnr for flights booked externally (eg via another airline's website) then that won't be visible in Altea when the pax checks in with QF.

So does this open up the possibility of booking initially on the QF website and then, when additional bookings are made, ringing QF to have those added to the original PNR ... to avoid this interline problem ?

Or would QF simply refuse to do this ... even though they can ? Anyone ever done it ? Any P1's or CL's out there who want to try it now ?

As above any flights added in to a QF res pnr as info segments will not be visible in the Altea checkin system so the CSA will not see your oncarriage flight.

You'd be better off just using a TA who uses Amadeus to book the whole lot.

If there's a special J class fare bookable via an OTA that you TA can't match, give yourself an overnight stop as a precaution.

 

[Himeno]

You'd be better off just using a TA who uses Amadeus to book the whole lot.

Do you know any travel agents that do? Flight Center (and related companies) use Galileo.

 

[PineappleSkip]

Do you know any travel agents that do? Flight Center (and related companies) use Galileo.

Yes, that seems to be the question of the moment. I was thinking I'd have to use my corporate travel agent. Which is Flight Centre UK

Found some more commentary on the BA speedbird site. Doesn't really say anything new. Looks like interline agreements aren't worth a lot if they're with BA
British Airways' Speedbird Club: Welcome to British Airways Speedbird Club

I have found interlining baggage total pot luck. In the past, if they have the other carrier on their list of interline agreements I've usually lucked in. If other OW airlines take the approach of BA (see the BA-SQ example) that that is starting to look like a good reason to avoid OW carriers. Unless this 'crackdown' is an industry wide thing...

Cheers skip

 

[wandering_fred]

I have just had an "interesting" email exchange with my TA in CMB...

I have had so many people calling me from the check in counter wanting me to
explain it to the check in counter. I wish something happens soon about it.
When passengers come with 2 tickets and separate tickets the check in
counter can interline baggage but they have to do it manually so they don't
bother. That's what I have been told by UL.
[end]

The education continued and she now understands BAs position. But she still hasn't figured out it applies to OW to OW for other carriers. I'll have another go with her at multiple tickets on one PNR next week.

Happy wandering

Fred

 

[ajw373]

Funny thing is that when these changes are implemented, the time spent arguing with the check in agent would be longer than the time spent on the computer interlining the bags.

Think you will find the issue isn't the time taken to do it, but the time and cost taken to rebook if the first flight is late.

I also have a feeling, especially seeing as BA won't interline to themselves, that they are probably the ones who wanted this. Many in the UK will fly LHR to someone close by in Europe, then fly back to LHR and onto a long haul flight. Can save people hundreds of dollars, especially up front. Cunning way to stop that practice.

 

[wandering_fred]

Think you will find the issue isn't the time taken to do it, but the time and cost taken to rebook if the first flight is late.
I also have a feeling, especially seeing as BA won't interline to themselves, that they are probably the ones who wanted this. Many in the UK will fly LHR to someone close by in Europe, then fly back to LHR and onto a long haul flight. Can save people hundreds of dollars, especially up front. Cunning way to stop that practice.

I'll believe that BA is serious about stopping the "Euro trick" when the pricing is the same to USA/NA destinations no matter where you start in (what was) the EU. :shock:

While the cost of hotel might dent the price savings, you'll still save money. And have a night to relax in a bed rather than a plane.

Happy wandering

Fred