ONE World Explorer Mach II

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Chazmen

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Greetings all,

It has been 3 years since my last post. You were all such a help with my last LONE5 that I thought I would seek your expert counsel on my latest LONE4, provisional itinerary below:
SYD-LAX-SFO-JFK-LHR-MAD//BCN-CDG//TRN-FCO-HKG-SYD-MEL-SYD

Is LONE4 the best product for the below itinerary?
Is it still beneficial to book through the AA RTW desk?
Am I still able to do SYD-MEL-SYD on return?
Can I upgrade to business class on QAN legs, SYD-LAX for example...?
I am doing SYD-LAX-SFO in order to take the A380 (hopefully business class) and then transfer to SFO (not interested in spending time in LAX), is this wise?

Regards
SM
 
I'm by no means an expert but I see it's been eight hours since you posted and no takers so I'll have a shot at some of your questions.

SYD-LAX-SFO-JFK-LHR-MAD//BCN-CDG//TRN-FCO-HKG-SYD-MEL-SYD

I plugged your routing into Mileage Monkey and it gave a couple of errors. The first was there is apparently no oneworld service BCN-CDG. There is - sort of. JAL have a codeshare with Air France but only oneworld carriers may be used on the oneworld Explorer product. (This includes codeshare so, for example, a QF codeshare on AA is permissable but not a QF codeshare on SA.)

Second, MM also says no oneworld service exists TRN-FCO. A quick check of the oneworld timetable using a few random dates seems to suggest this is indeed correct.

Is LONE4 the best product for the below itinerary?

The above routing issues would suggest a LONE4 isn't the best option. a oneworld Global Explorer may work as, to my knowledge, codeshares on non-oneworld airlines are permisslabe. However, I'm not familiar with their rules so can't help there.

Is it still beneficial to book through the AA RTW desk?

I have booked a oneworld Explorer (twice now) using AA ex-South Africa with significant savings. However, I'm not up with doing it ex-Australia. That said, there are a number of posts on AFF with advice on such so a search should give some good assistance.

Am I still able to do SYD-MEL-SYD on return?

I'm fairly confident in saying that no, this isn't permitted. Rule 4(b) of the oneworld Explorer states "Travel may not be via the point of origin". Not withstanding the above issues, one way to correct this would be to either originate in MEL (which means no A380 to LAX) or (ii) finish HKG-MEL-BNE-SYD, for example.

Can I upgrade to business class on QAN legs, SYD-LAX for example...?

Yes, L class fares are upgradeable. However, two points to note. First, only QF flight numbers on QF metal are upgradeable. So, for example, QF11 SYD-LAX, operated by QF, is upgradeable but QF3243 LAX-SFO isn't upgradeable as it is operated by AA.

Second, if ticketing through AA, it is likely they will insist that the transcontinental sector is on an AA flight number. In your example, this would likely mean booking either AA7365 (which is QF107) or AA7363 (which is QF11) on the SYD-LAX leg. If you do come across this issue, don't stress.

From my point of view there are two options. The first option is to simply book the AA codeshare flight and then, once ticketed, phone AA back and change to either QF107 or QF11. Rule 16(a)(1)(a) states "Changes to date/time/oneworld carrier/inventory changes are permitted provided ticketed points remain the same". Technically there is no charge for such changes; however, I'm led to believe a carrier is entitled to charge an admin for doing so but, in my experience, AA don't do this. The second option is to push AA to book the TAtl (trans-Atlantic) sector (which in your case is JFK-LHR) on AA. Again, this could be an AA codeshare operated by BA metal.

I am doing SYD-LAX-SFO in order to take the A380 (hopefully business class) . . .

In wich case you must ensure your SYD-LAX flight is on a QF flight number, otherwise it's not possible to request an upgrade (as outlined above).

. . . and then transfer to SFO (not interested in spending time in LAX), is this wise?

Note sure what you mean here by "wise".

Hopefully this is all of some help. If anything isn't clear, just post again or PM me.
 
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I plugged your routing into Mileage Monkey and it gave a couple of errors. The first was there is apparently no oneworld service BCN-CDG. There is - sort of. JAL have a codeshare with Air France but only oneworld carriers may be used on the oneworld Explorer product. (This includes codeshare so, for example, a QF codeshare on AA is permissable but not a QF codeshare on SA.)

Interesting... even BCN-ORY - Paris Orly airport - on Iberia is operated by Veuling - IB seems to have no flights of their own!
 
Thanks for the help, much appreciated. I will revisit the itinerary in regard to BCN-CDG and TUR-FCO.
My question regarding the SYD-LAX-SFO leg rather than SYD-SFO leg was is it worth taking the A380 and routing through LAX over the B747 direct service to SFO?
SM
 
I plugged your routing into Mileage Monkey and it gave a couple of errors. The first was there is apparently no oneworld service BCN-CDG. There is - sort of. JAL have a codeshare with Air France but only oneworld carriers may be used on the oneworld Explorer product. (This includes codeshare so, for example, a QF codeshare on AA is permissable but not a QF codeshare on SA.)
MM is a not up to date. The routes data base have not been updated in over 12 months & the rules are now different.
 
Thanks for that. I wasn't aware.

The oneworld downloadable timetable still doesn't seem to indicate services between BCN and CDG or TRN and FCO. And codeshares still are not permissable on oneworld Explorer fares.
 
Am I still able to do SYD-MEL-SYD on return?

I'm fairly confident in saying that no, this isn't permitted. Rule 4(b) of the oneworld Explorer states "Travel may not be via the point of origin". Not withstanding the above issues, one way to correct this would be to either originate in MEL (which means no A380 to LAX) or (ii) finish HKG-MEL-BNE-SYD, for example.

Or do something like HKG-ADL-MEL-SYD

I plugged your routing into Mileage Monkey and it gave a couple of errors. The first was there is apparently no oneworld service BCN-CDG. There is - sort of. JAL have a codeshare with Air France but only oneworld carriers may be used on the oneworld Explorer product. (This includes codeshare so, for example, a QF codeshare on AA is permissable but not a QF codeshare on SA.)

Second, MM also says no oneworld service exists TRN-FCO. A quick check of the oneworld timetable using a few random dates seems to suggest this is indeed correct.

A couple of possible alternatives. use IB BCN-MAD-CDG. But you don't have enough EU segments. SO the other alternative is to use the trains for BCN-MAD or TRN-FCO. That would give you either

SYD-LAX-SFO-JFK-LHR-MAD-CDG//TRN-(somewhere like LHR or MAD if there are flights)-FCO-HKG-ADL-MEL-SYD
with a return side trip MAD-BCN

or

SYD-LAX-SFO-JFK-LHR-MAD//BCN-MAD-CDG//FCO-HKG-ADL-MEL-SYD
with a stop in TRN between CDG and FCO

Or I might do something like

SYD-LAX-SFO-xDRW-JFK-LHR-MAD-CDG//FCO-HKG-ADL-PER(-MEL)-SYD

MEL if you need to go there. I no expert either, of course.
 
Gang,

Thanks for the help thus far. A few changes to destinations.... Would the following routing work?
SYD-LAX-SFO-JFK-LHR-TRN//GOA-BCN-NCE//CDG-HKG-SYD

Many Thanks

SM
 
Gang,

Thanks for the help thus far. A few changes to destinations.... Would the following routing work?
SYD-LAX-SFO-JFK-LHR-TRN//GOA-BCN-NCE//CDG-HKG-SYD

Many Thanks

SM

Still some problems, it would seem. First, there's no direct service LHR-TRN. Second, there's not direct service GOA-BCN.

Did you work out whether you're on a oneworld Explorer or a oneworld Global Explorer fare?
 
Thanks Danger,
Yet to book so I have the flexibility for either fare.

For the LHR-TRN and GOA-BCN routes what options do I have?

SM
 
Thanks Danger,
Yet to book so I have the flexibility for either fare.

For the LHR-TRN and GOA-BCN routes what options do I have?

SM

Well, depending on the day of the week, you can go LHR-BCN-TRN. For GOA-BCN, an option is GOA-MAD-BCN.

Do you have to visit any of these European cities in any particular order?
 
Chazmen said:
Gang,

Thanks for the help thus far. A few changes to destinations.... Would the following routing work?
SYD-LAX-SFO-JFK-LHR-TRN//GOA-BCN-NCE//CDG-HKG-SYD

Many Thanks

SM
If your making your own way from Turin to genoa then you might as well do the same to nice. It is a fairly short and easy train ride from genoa to nice.
Is there any particular reason for the order of destinations?
 
I think that might be the way to do it.
So how does the following stack up?
SYD-LAX-SFO-JFK-LHR-TRN//NCE-BCN-NCE//CDG-HKG-SYD

Is LHR-Milan or LHR-Genoa an option?
 
Chazmen said:
I think that might be the way to do it.
So how does the following stack up?
SYD-LAX-SFO-JFK-LHR-TRN//NCE-BCN-NCE//CDG-HKG-SYD

Is LHR-Milan or LHR-Genoa an option?
Lhr-Milan might be.

What about lhr-bcn-nce//(goa-trn)//cdg?
 
I think that might be the way to do it.
So how does the following stack up?
SYD-LAX-SFO-JFK-LHR-TRN//NCE-BCN-NCE//CDG-HKG-SYD

Is LHR-Milan or LHR-Genoa an option?

LHR-MXP is definitely operated by BA; unsure of whether LHR-LIN is.
 
I'm very keen to land in Turin from London, although it appears I can't do under the LONE4? How does the following look?
SYD-LAX-SFO-JFK-LHR-MXP//NCE-BCN-NCE//CDG-HKG-SYD

Thanks again gang.

SM
 
I'm very keen to land in Turin from London, although it appears I can't do under the LONE4? How does the following look?
SYD-LAX-SFO-JFK-LHR-MXP//NCE-BCN-NCE//CDG-HKG-SYD

Thanks again gang.

SM

No, no option to fly LHR-TRN - either under the oneworld Explorer or the Global Explorer fare. Similarly, no option NCE-BCN-NCE in either fare also.
 
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