One world becoming less relevant

[Austman]

There was another thread on this topic recently. Whether you only get benefits from what’s printed on your boarding pass or whether you use your elite status in one world through another carrier for other benefits.

AFAIK, and for me personally, the issue has existed for decades.

To avoid it, always use your FF membership that you wish to use for status benefits when making your booking.

Sometimes, you can change it at the last minute to the FF membership that you wish to use for earning. Before actually boarding.

It's certainly nothing new.

 

[RooFlyer]

To avoid it, always use your FF membership that you wish to use for status benefits when making your booking.

I’ll see if I can find that thread and maybe a copy of the One World rules. If OneWorld rules say that you can use your elite status benefits while having a different number on your boarding pass, then OneWorld should honour that. But I’ll have to look it up and check.

 

[rikkitikkitavi]

Was the staff member a “dragon” just because you didn’t get your own way or for some other reason?

Also, still interested in the answer to this:

A ‘spray’ generally isn’t short form for “sorry I’m not familiar with this rule regarding your valuable One World Emerald membership, the system won’t scan you right now and I can’t let you on without your boarding being recorded, could you please speak to the service desk?”

I’ll try remember to look later, though I doubt it said ‘first group’ , the flight was full I couldn’t upgrade or buy a j ticket.

I was in the pier and wing lounges at HKG on Monday this week. Selected free extra legroom seats on my flight too thanks to OWS status. Great perk since J for this daytime flight would've been overkill @ only 7 hours.

Editing to add that cathay also enforced priority boarding at my leg into HKG from CAN, which meant I skipped a huge queue there and was able to grab an overhead bin for my carry on which isn't a guarantee since the Chinese seem to without fail overfill the entire cabins overhead storage. If you attach your FFP # to your bookings all oneworld airlines tend to take care of you.
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Looks very nice. On a QF boarding pass with your QF FFN?

 

[jase05]

Like we found with the CX F lounges in HKG last year, no entry unless your OWE was indicated on your boarding pass, just flashing your OWE card won’t get you in.
Seems like some airlines want the highest status you hold on the BP and at a guess I’d say other airlines will follow suit and perhaps OW will look at their current rules and adjust if necessary

 

[SYD]

I think it's hit and miss.

It's mostly worked for me but not always! And that was with other airlines.

Simply, if your FF membership that you wish to use for status benefits is not in your booking, it can cause issues in some situations.

I suppose a better system needs to be invented when booking:

1. You nominate a FF membership that you wish to use for status benefits.
2. You also nominate a FF membership that you wish to use for earning.

That system already exists in Amadeus (and Sabre?).

Using Status Benefits & Earning Points with Different Programs

If you have status with a given airline, you'll often feel obliged to continue crediting points to that airline's frequent flyer program.

www.australianfrequentflyer.com.au

But QF and a lot of OW airlines don’t support splitting earn and benefits across different FF programs now (and getting tighter).

If Group boarding is important (ie flying cattle class), use your highest status. At least for lounge access, you can still technically swap FF# between lounge and gate/boarding.

But if you’re just using one FF# with status for both earn and benefits, then OWE is a sweet spot across alliances and not to be sniffed at!

 

[Scarlett]

There was another thread on this topic recently. Whether you only get benefits from what’s printed on your boarding pass or whether you use your elite status in one world through another carrier for other benefits.

I recall that it was pointed out that the OW rules actually say the latter, but it was predicted that OneWorld rules would change.

You might be recalling incorrectly there @RooFlyer and I know you quoted what is written. Your interpretation of what is written makes you believe the latter. I interpret the sentence differently and CX (and it appears one QF staff member ) interpret it differently.

 

[burneracc]

Looks very nice. On a QF boarding pass with your QF FFN?

Cathay flight with QF FFN - boarding pass attached - can see QF sapphire is referenced.

 

[Captain Halliday]

I’ll try remember to look later, though I doubt it said ‘first group’ , the flight was full I couldn’t upgrade or buy a j ticket.

Just to recap, you had your QF silver status in the booking.

If so, you would have been assigned a boarding group from 3-6 depending on where you were seated on the aircraft.

You either didn’t look at your group number or chose to ignore it and attempted to board before your group was called.

The system denied you boarding and you’re upset that you were asked to wait your turn.

Does that about cover it?

I’m not seeing the issue here.

Qantas do lots of things badly and I’m all for calling that out when it happens.

But group boarding has been enforced consistently by QF since it was introduced.

Unless there’s something missing from your recount of the event this seems like a….

 

[exLXCXFF]

Totally popcorn time here....

 

[madrooster]

If you don't have the right boarding group on your boarding pass then the computer will deny you.

This is incorrect.

The system goes by your live boarding group number, which is based on your cabin and status in the system at the time of boarding.

For example you have a paper BP printed that says group 1, you then get your FF number swapped for a no status FF number, and are therefore showing as group 6 in the system at the time of boarding. If you try and board with that paper BP that says group 1, it will deny you boarding if your live real group is not open.

 

[moa999]

That system already exists in Amadeus (and Sabre?).

Or used to exist..
Good luck if you can find staff with access to a green screen and knows how to separately program FQTV and FQTS.

And even then whether it will persist as it it travels through the various add-on systems these days.

Safest advice is to pick one program for each flight and use it. Trying to shop the best part of multiple memberships in an alliance is fraught with danger.

I'm yet to see any program or alliance rules that even consider a passenger might have two cards.

It may be technically possible in some situations, but it's very much at your risk if you choose to do so.

 

[SYD]

Or used to exist..
Good luck if you can find staff with access to a green screen and knows how to separately program FQTV and FQTS.

As per my post…

But QF and a lot of OW airlines don’t support splitting earn and benefits across different FF programs now (and getting tighter).

It’s technically possible to use the better status to access a lounge and then swap it before boarding to another for earn.

But that doesn’t help the OP, where it turns to sh$t. Including removing any onboard benefits, possible upgrades and other perks etc etc

TBH, it’s an issue for a VERY small subset of FFs who want to work the system but can easily come unstuck. As the OP found out.

 

[Austman]

it’s an issue for a VERY small subset of FFs who want to work the system

I don't think I was wanting to work the system when I've encountered it.

The alliances have, to a certain extent, themselves to blame.

In the early alliance days, for your preferred airline FF program, you earned miles and earned status that was equal (or close to it) no matter what airline in the alliance you flew.

Then things changed. Your preferred airline FF program no longer gave you as many miles or earned you as much status on other alliance airlines.

Sometimes nothing at all!

 

[drron]

I am just intriqued which airline's Emerald members has a worse product for using points than QFF?

 

[sudoer]

One world becoming less relevant

Go ahead then, you know what to do...

 

[SYD]

I am just intriqued which airline's Emerald members has a worse product for using points than QFF?

AA, BA,…..

But OW is not alone, *A is big but has some ugly ones.

 

[madrooster]

Or used to exist..
Good luck if you can find staff with access to a green screen and knows how to separately program FQTV and FQTS.

Trying to shop the best part of multiple memberships in an alliance is fraught with danger.

FQTS functionality is defined, but not enabled for any of the oneworld carriers. It's only used by Star Alliance and even then it's only a small number of carriers that have it enabled eg. SQ and NH.

What's wrong with shopping with multiple memberships on one PNR? There's quite a few people on AFF who do this quite successfully with no issues at all.