Official Qantas response please

[ComeFlyWithMe]

Regardless of your position, seat kicking is puerile, infantile behaviour. If you undertake such practices you ought to be ashamed. Most people have the courtesy to raise it during meal service or are asked by the crew. If someone is kicking my seat, I call the FA.

I also can't believe some people think it is their "right" to use the J WC. There are minor exceptions to this but the signs on the aircraft and cabin crew directive is clear.

Those with a sense of entitlement should remember they're flying Y. Get back in your box and pull your head in. If you want J benefits, buy a J seat or burn your points on an upgrade.

If you try any of this on an international flight, the staff are, rightly so, on you like a hawk. I got this when flying F and decided to do a whole lap of the A380. They did apologise profusely when I told them I was F pax

 

[Pushka]

I think that some people have difficulty in understanding ratio of passengers to amenities. In which case while considerably cheaper than business I can't see the argument that in the number of toilets and staff, that economy 'has it good'.

But I wouldn't use J amenities anyway unless it was a significant issue at the time.

 

[love_the_life]

R
If you try any of this on an international flight, the staff are, rightly so, on you like a hawk. I got this when flying F and decided to do a whole lap of the A380. They did apologise profusely when I told them I was F pax

So you can prowl through the whole plane, into other cabin spaces, just because you are a F pax? Why do you have that right when Y's are kept in the cattle pens?

 

[Aussie_flyer]

So you can prowl through the whole plane, into other cabin spaces, just because you are a F pax? Why do you have that right when Y's are kept in the cattle pens?

the price of the ticket

 

[Stoopidsteve]

So you can prowl through the whole plane, into other cabin spaces, just because you are a F pax? Why do you have that right when Y's are kept in the cattle pens?

[insert lingual musculature into buccal pocket] I think it's called doing circuits, done to walk off all that rich F food, and of course to do some sightseeing.... back through economy cabins (showing visa allowing entry to wilds of Y), up the stairs, through PE and J (showing medical certificate to show appropriate vaccinations for such a visit) and back down the stairs to the sanctuary of F, enduring medical exam and quarantine before re-entering F cabin, to ensure no lower class microbes were hitchhiking on my personage. In F pyjamas of course so everyone knows class of origin. Thence to regale fellow F passengers with tales of deprivation and suffering mere metres away from our own small seats. To the extent that some passengers "back there" appeared NOT to have their hand luggage immediately above them. THE HORROR! AND had to wait for the lavatory. AND even some rumours that the poor dears are being tortured by the seats only reclining a little, instead of being flat. Aren't there rules about such conditions? It's terrible. We should start a petition against inhumane travel conditions. I mean, how can ANYONE endure it? We need a direct response from Qantas on this matter [extricate lingual device].


At least that's what I did on the one and only F trip I've done (trans-Pacific in A380) (almost every other trip is Y. Actually O, or N, or S). Went for a walk, I mean. Not the rest. Really. None of it is true except the walking bit. And the pyjamas. I mean, I'm sure someone would have mentioned visas and vaccinations if I'd needed them. Wouldn't they?

 

[love_the_life]

Very droll
When I have been confined to Y I get really peeved with people wandering past - up and down, up and down, so I would not have been happy with someone from "up the plane" doing the same. Have not seen it in J (or my sole F on BA) but then the space is smaller!

 

[Simo]

Good luck at getting a response.

QF will not respond as this would be against there business.

 

[ComeFlyWithMe]

So you can prowl through the whole plane, into other cabin spaces, just because you are a F pax? Why do you have that right when Y's are kept in the cattle pens?

Yes, I can. Why don't you complain to the cabin crew, I'm sure they will be on your side?

It was both for exercise to avoid DVT and also to marvel at the astounding engineering of the A380. I have also not been fortunate enough to fly that particular aircraft in cabins other than J or F, so there was curiosity so that I can come here and understand the plight of my fellow man in Y or Y+.

I didn't wear the PJ's on my circuit, for the record

 

[BAM1748]

Well what do you think qantas are going to say. It is a stupid question with and obvious answer, which will never stop some idiot from kicking your seat when you recline.

It makes me remember all the people on AFF who rant about the nanny state.

or an idiot reclining into someone's legs.

 

[ajw373]

Because I'm entitled to know if MY money has paid for my right to recline. Because if it is something I paid for I will stick up for myself if the person behind me deliberately makes is uncomfortable. I am not a person who reclines very much at all and when I do, I always consider all the circumstances, but if i want to recline, i want to know where i stand. I like to know what my rights are in most things in life, that's just the way it is. It's hard to play the game if you don't know the rules.

Of course you have the right to recline, but by the same token the person behind has the right to do what they like too, including putting their knees into your back if that makes THEM comfortable, or grabbing your seat when they get up.

 

[ComeFlyWithMe]

or an idiot reclining into someone's legs.

If the seat wasn't to be reclined it would be a fixed seat. QF offer reclining seats in all classes AFAIK.

The only think idiotic is beating the back of the seat.

 

[ComeFlyWithMe]

Of course you have the right to recline, but by the same token the person behind has the right to do what they like too, including putting their knees into your back if that makes THEM comfortable, or grabbing your seat when they get up.

What a load of cough.

With the exception of the seat pocket, or assistance in getting up or sitting down, (or seat back IFE) there should be no reason to touch another pax's seat.

Did you people grow up in the first world?

 

[legroom]

What a load of cough.

With the exception of the seat pocket, or assistance in getting up or sitting down, (or seat back IFE) there should be no reason to touch another pax's seat.

Did you people grow up in the first world?

There is always the 1-percenters, ComeFlyWithMe :mrgreen:

They always demand what does not belong to them.

They confuse - deliberately - between desires / wants and entitlements.

They want their $$ safely in their wallets but insist on leg room, no matter what, ignoring that J/F seats have better pitch for a reason / price.

Did they walk blinded into Y seats ?

The answer is of course not.

In other words, have cake and eat it all !!!

 

[ajw373]

What a load of cough.

With the exception of the seat pocket, or assistance in getting up or sitting down, (or seat back IFE) there should be no reason to touch another pax's seat.

Did you people grow up in the first world?

I did indeed grow up in the first world. Simple fact though is some people have legs longer than others, so if you happen to recline back into someone with long legs then don't complain when their knees are in your back. The space on an aircraft is finite TO BE SHARED, which is something the OP doesn't seem to appreciate, hence his desire to have a fixed set of rules and regulations to beat his chest with. Now don't see what is wrong with what I said or how that means I didn't grow up in the first world. In fact I would be saying quite the opposite actually.

Indeed many in the first world have a false sense of entitlement, especially noticed up the pointy end of aircraft. It always amuses me to see how many in business class in particular treat the aircraft, the crew and indeed other passengers. Now before I get flamed, will point out most of my flights are up the pointy end too, so this is not a jealousy based comment, but an observation from my last 20 years of flying. Some of the worst I have ever seen were on the 80 odd return BA flights I undertook when I lived in the UK. You could always pick the type with this false sense of entitlement, mostly wearing their lawyer look 3 piece suits and probably driving their Aston's to the airport from the Berkshire Country Manors. All I can say is when they tried it on with me I didn't hold back pointing out that I too was a business class passenger so didn't appreciate being treated like ****.

 

[ComeFlyWithMe]

I did indeed grow up in the first world. Simple fact though is some people have legs longer than others, so if you happen to recline back into someone with long legs then don't complain when their knees are in your back. The space on an aircraft is finite TO BE SHARED, which is something the OP doesn't seem to appreciate, hence his desire to have a fixed set of rules and regulations to beat his chest with. Now don't see what is wrong with what I said or how that means I didn't grow up in the first world. In fact I would be saying quite the opposite actually.

Indeed many in the first world have a false sense of entitlement, especially noticed up the pointy end of aircraft. It always amuses me to see how many in business class in particular treat the aircraft, the crew and indeed other passengers. Now before I get flamed, will point out most of my flights are up the pointy end too, so this is not a jealousy based comment, but an observation from my last 20 years of flying. Some of the worst I have ever seen were on the 80 odd return BA flights I undertook when I lived in the UK. You could always pick the type with this false sense of entitlement, mostly wearing their lawyer look 3 piece suits and probably driving their Aston's to the airport from the Berkshire Country Manors. All I can say is when they tried it on with me I didn't hold back pointing out that I too was a business class passenger so didn't appreciate being treated like ****.

If you encroach on the space that another passenger has purchased then you should purchase additional comfort seats or exit row legroom, or a J seat. To think that your stature or size is someone else's problem is beyond me.

There are shared facilities on an aircraft, your seat is not one of them.

Some of us in the pointy end have started with nothing and worked hard for every dollar that puts them there. Just because people take pride in their appearance doesn't mean they have a sense of entitlement.

The most 'sense of entitlement' appears to come from SG/WP DYKWIA types travelling in Y in my experience. Rude, and arrogant.

In my experience, your attitude will have you sitting down the back of life for the foreseeable future.

Oh, and further, there are rude and disrespectful people in all cabins, just as there are in all walks of life.

 

[ajw373]

If you encroach on the space that another passenger has purchased then you should purchase additional comfort seats or exit row legroom, or a J seat. To think that your stature or size is someone else's problem is beyond me.

There are shared facilities on an aircraft, your seat is not one of them.

Some of us in the pointy end have started with nothing and worked hard for every dollar that puts them there. Just because people take pride in their appearance doesn't mean they have a sense of entitlement.

The most 'sense of entitlement' appears to come from SG/WP DYKWIA types travelling in Y in my experience. Rude, and arrogant.

In my experience, your attitude will have you sitting down the back of life for the foreseeable future.

Oh, and further, there are rude and disrespectful people in all cabins, just as there are in all walks of life.

You are jumping to conclusions there. I didn't say I had the leg problem, I am in fact a short cough. Also you will find there are some long legged people flying J, remember outside of Aus J can actually have small leg room, BA short haul for example, so what would you want them to do? But the fact still remains that space is finite and shared. Want to recline fine, BUT even if your seat is capable you are reclining into a shared space, like all respect thing it actually goes two ways. Show me respect I will show you respect, or probably more to the point show me disrespect I will return the favour. BTW the only time I deliberately put my short knees into someone seat is when they are recliing when they shouldn't be, in particular on approach after the crew has said all seats up. In fact refer to my comment above that would have to be one of my biggest pet hates of those with the false sense of entitlement.

Oh as for the appearance thing I was generalising in case you didn't realise, good on you for dressing well and earning you J seat. But I will reiterate in my experience the false sense of entitlement does generally come from those dressed as I described. Not all for sure, but I bet you go on a short haul BA flight and the ones that are making cough of themselves will be dressed as I have described. Remember I have 160+ flights to use as the basis of this observation.

 

[ComeFlyWithMe]

Reclining during non meal times is not disrespectful, it's using the features of the product as advertised.

Your knees in the back of someone's seat at any time is disrespectful. You are not the aircraft police. Call an FA if it is bothering you.

As I mentioned, you will find cough in every cabin, they are not restricted to J/F. It seems you might be exactly what others would class as same.

You have my commiserations for 180 BA sectors. I only fly BA J occasionally when connecting internationally. Interestingly five days ago I had a seat kicker in J LHR-FCO. I wasn't even reclining. She belonged in the hold.

 

[ajw373]

Reclining during non meal times is not disrespectful, it's using the features of the product as advertised.

Again you are jumping to conclusions and getting yourself worked up. I have no issue with people using the product as advertised, the only two points I made were recline into someone elses leg space and you MAY get their legs in your back if they have long legs. I am still thinking where you expect them to put them, again remembering on many flights (thinking BA short haul, Qantas/VA 737 etc) that J doesn't have that much room and there are only 4 row 4 seats, now often reserved for P1? I also said I dislike it when people don't put their seat up for landing, in this case this space that you think is yours, is actually mine as it is MY escape route if there is a crash. Now see what I mean the space is shared, repeat shared.

Your knees in the back of someone's seat at any time is disrespectful. You are not the aircraft police. Call an FA if it is bothering you.

Didn't say I was the police, but always found in the situtaton I described above it works just fine.

As I mentioned, you will find cough in every cabin, they are not restricted to J/F. It seems you might be exactly what others would class as same.

Again don't disagree, though in my experience I have found more people disrespectful of the aircraft, crew and passengers up the pointy end. Yes some may think I am a prick, but must admit never once had anyone complain about me or do something to me as a result of any of my actions. As I said be disrespectful of me and I will return it.

You have my commiserations for 180 BA sectors. I only fly BA J occasionally when connecting internationally. Interestingly five days ago I had a seat kicker in J LHR-FCO. I wasn't even reclining. She belonged in the hold.

Yeah it isn't much chop is it, but of course better than being down the back. Oh come to think of it, J BA short haul is like being down the back, more or less the same leg room, seat etc, just a meal. So again gets back to what I was saying about those with long legs, there isn't always much they can do about it.

 

[ComeFlyWithMe]

Again you are jumping to conclusions and getting yourself worked up.

Mate, I'm not worked up, I'm sipping coffee in Positano, Italia. Your delusions are far from getting me riled.

Didn't say I was the police, but always found in the situtaton I described above it works just fine.

Therefore your actions suggest you are as you despise.

Again don't disagree, though in my experience I have found more people disrespectful of the aircraft, crew and passengers up the pointy end. Yes some may think I am a prick, but must admit never once had anyone complain about me or do something to me as a result of any of my actions. As I said be disrespectful of me and I will return it.

Probably because most cough are overdosed on testosterone and most likely to resort to violence, so the average pax is afraid of the repercussions. Somebody who behaves like you do would hardly be worth the confrontation.

Oh come to think of it, J BA short haul is like being down the back, more or less the same leg room, seat etc, just a meal.

We are in vehement agreement on something at least they did keep the whole of row 1 free for me though which was nice, considering they were running 8 rows of J.

So again gets back to what I was saying about those with long legs, there isn't always much they can do about it.

No, but they, and all others, have a choice when deciding how to behave.

 

[ashleyn]

I just knew this would degenerate into the old reclining seat bun-fight yet again. Seriously people, let it go. I nominate this for the WTA (Worst Thread Award) for 2013 so far.