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blewie

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Just flew SYD-LHR with BA, as a WP received 35 SC's and 2,647 miles?! The new changes have really made me ask myself, should I move across to another airline and receive better benefits? Advice much appreciated. I'll never retain WP at that earning rate. Thanks in advance.
 

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That does seem shockingly low doesn't it.

If that's your normal flying then perhaps it is time to move.


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Isn't it more like "Not worth crediting to QFF"?
Or I was thinking, you're not exactly showing loyalty by continuing to credit to QF if your spend is on another airline, so perhaps finding a better program, perhaps BAEC with the help of a friends address, might be appropriate.

I'm not in a position where I'm flying anyone but QF, however do see the reasoning behind closing loopholes that let their program be used to credit everyone else's flights to, but never see more than 4 squiggles worth of revenue themselves. It makes sense for them to try and skew the odds more in their favour, and if they lose you as a member they haven't lost a customer really, as you weren't flying them much anyway ;)

Of course, I'm donning the flame suit now :p
 

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Or I was thinking, you're not exactly showing loyalty by continuing to credit to QF if your spend is on another airline, so perhaps finding a better program, perhaps BAEC with the help of a friends address, might be appropriate.

I'm not in a position where I'm flying anyone but QF, however do see the reasoning behind closing loopholes that let their program be used to credit everyone else's flights to, but never see more than 4 squiggles worth of revenue themselves. It makes sense for them to try and skew the odds more in their favour, and if they lose you as a member they haven't lost a customer really, as you weren't flying them much anyway ;)

Of course, I'm donning the flame suit now :p

Just to qualify, have been a WP with Qantas for 4 years flying Discount economy. I believe that shows I have been flying with them a lot more than most. That's a lot of flying to gain Platinum year after year. The only reason I used BA was to 'hook up' with a round the World ticket. Qantas couldn't get me out of Sydney to land in London at the right time, or it would have been a 10 hour layover.
 

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Just to qualify, have been a WP with Qantas for 4 years flying Discount economy. I believe that shows I have been flying with them a lot more than most. That's a lot of flying to gain Platinum year after year. The only reason I used BA was to 'hook up' with a round the World ticket. Qantas couldn't get me out of Sydney to land in London at the right time, or it would have been a 10 hour layover.
Surely qf via an ek codeshare could have minimised the layover
 

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Just to qualify, have been a WP with Qantas for 4 years flying Discount economy. I believe that shows I have been flying with them a lot more than most. That's a lot of flying to gain Platinum year after year. The only reason I used BA was to 'hook up' with a round the World ticket. Qantas couldn't get me out of Sydney to land in London at the right time, or it would have been a 10 hour layover.
Ahh well that's different then! :p
 

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I'm going to go again the consensus here, in certain circumstances. IF flights on BA (and other oneworld carriers) are a rarity, to avoid having orphaned points or a long wait until you accrue enough for a decent award (especially with devaluations that have happened to AA's two main competitors after their mergers settled) the BA Exec Club maybe a viable option if you know someone outside Australia/NZ ) or don't care about a membership card actually reaching you.

For infrequent flyers the BA short haul awards (4500 or 7500 pts) one way with minimal fuel surcharges can be excellent value. (eg if saving say $120 on a MEL-SYD that's a value of about 2.7c per mile).

Of course if flying enough to build up a decent premium cabin award, AA is the way to go.
 

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+2. Send them to AA
Two words to go with this... "Platinum Challenge". Sure, it's $240USD, but a Premium Economy return fare to the UK from Australia nets over 31000 EQP's, more than enough for the challenge, and a large chunk towards Ex Plat if you're so inclined (100k EQP/EQM).

AA Platinum also earns 100% bonus on points. There's also no argument that AA miles are infinitely more valuable than QF Miles, but of course QF premium award inventory using AAdvantage miles can be tough to get.
 

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Two words to go with this... "Platinum Challenge". Sure, it's $240USD, but a Premium Economy return fare to the UK from Australia nets over 31000 EQP's, more than enough for the challenge, and a large chunk towards Ex Plat if you're so inclined (100k EQP/EQM).

AA Platinum also earns 100% bonus on points. There's also no argument that AA miles are infinitely more valuable than QF Miles, but of course QF premium award inventory using AAdvantage miles can be tough to get.
Agree AA miles are more valuable (and come with less +++), but WP/WP1 with QF gives you a lot more availability on QF.
 

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I'm going to go again the consensus here, in certain circumstances. IF flights on BA (and other oneworld carriers) are a rarity, to avoid having orphaned points or a long wait until you accrue enough for a decent award (especially with devaluations that have happened to AA's two main competitors after their mergers settled) the BA Exec Club maybe a viable option if you know someone outside Australia/NZ ) or don't care about a membership card actually reaching you.

For infrequent flyers the BA short haul awards (4500 or 7500 pts) one way with minimal fuel surcharges can be excellent value. (eg if saving say $120 on a MEL-SYD that's a value of about 2.7c per mile).

Of course if flying enough to build up a decent premium cabin award, AA is the way to go.
Unfortunately, from Australia you need to have an overseas address with which to register for BA Executive Club. When accessing their website, you get the message below, the reference to Qantas being an 'outstanding programme' no doubt being tongue in cheek.

There's no need to consider any points credited to AA as 'stray'. With their eShopping, SPG transfers, and the ability to purchase additional miles, I am rapidly able to turn my stray BA flights into one-way F redemptions. Of course there's a risk of devaluation, but there is with any program.

British Airways does not operate an Executive Club programme in the South West Pacific. However, you can keep up to date with our latest news and special offers by registering with us
If you would like to enrol in a frequent flyer programme, ouroneworld® alliance partners Qantas and Cathay Pacific have outstanding programmes. Members of both programmes can collect and spend Points when travelling on British Airways flights.
 

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Alternative crediting options for BA (which are clearly hopeless to credit to QF ex-Au or ex-Asia) are MH (easy to top up miles with Amex MR and points+pay ) and AS (able to buy miles and some good premium redemptions).
 

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Unfortunately, from Australia you need to have an overseas address with which to register for BA Executive Club. When accessing their website, you get the message below, the reference to Qantas being an 'outstanding programme' no doubt being tongue in cheek.

There's no need to consider any points credited to AA as 'stray'. With their eShopping, SPG transfers, and the ability to purchase additional miles, I am rapidly able to turn my stray BA flights into one-way F redemptions. Of course there's a risk of devaluation, but there is with any program.
I said "you know someone outside Australia/NZ ) or don't care about a membership card actually reaching you" , which means Australians can join BA, they just need to use an address outside Australia/NZ. This may be of someone they know, or if they have no need for a physical membership card it may be of a hotel/other address, or perhaps even a misspelling of the word "Australia". If not doing it for status, a physical card is not necessary.

I also thought it would be useful to present a balanced argument to the prevailing AA view. Not everyone does eshopping, not everyone has SPG transfers and not everyone has cash to burn on buying miles to buy F redemption seats that are neither necessary or important (to them), or for that matter difficult to get on the routes or dates they need them. On AFF, many of us live in this privileged world of F lounges, fully flat seats and five star hotels at minimal cost. Whilst, elsewhere, sometimes people just want to get their families from A to B as cheaply as possible. 18000 AA miles is simply not going to get a couple from Melbourne to Sydney and back.
 

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I'm going with dajop.I think AA is in the not too distant future going to be a far less rewarding program.
Already sAAver awards in premium cabins on longhaul AA services are rare and usually only available up to 30 days out.
Certainly I am still getting sAAver awards on partner airlines but how long before partner airlines decide to pull the availability from Aadvantage members as their own members are not getting AA awards.
Sure you can get Aanytime awards easily but they are about as much value as their QFF counterparts.
And they are now enforcing the 4 segment rule.

So I certainly am going to keep my options open.I do have an OS address I can use so BA is being considered.
 

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I said "you know someone outside Australia/NZ ) or don't care about a membership card actually reaching you" , which means Australians can join BA, they just need to use an address outside Australia/NZ. This may be of someone they know, or if they have no need for a physical membership card it may be of a hotel/other address, or perhaps even a misspelling of the word "Australia". If not doing it for status, a physical card is not necessary.

I also thought it would be useful to present a balanced argument to the prevailing AA view. Not everyone does eshopping, not everyone has SPG transfers and not everyone has cash to burn on buying miles to buy F redemption seats that are neither necessary or important (to them), or for that matter difficult to get on the routes or dates they need them. On AFF, many of us live in this privileged world of F lounges, fully flat seats and five star hotels at minimal cost. Whilst, elsewhere, sometimes people just want to get their families from A to B as cheaply as possible. 18000 AA miles is simply not going to get a couple from Melbourne to Sydney and back.
It seems you took my post as dissing yours which it certainly was not. Any sarcasm was directed at the BA reference to QFF being a "wonderful program", the only way I have to date experienced the privileged world of F lounges and fully flat seats has been because of AAdvantage miles and the OP might want to consider that, I have no direct experience of BA Executive Club and it is definitely an alternative they should also consider. May be time for me to take a break from AFF.
 
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