New Alcohol Restrictions in Checked Baggage?

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Just tried to check-in for my flight from Adelaide to Sydney. I've got 15 bottles of wine from the Barossa and Qantas refused to allow me to check in with > 5L of wine (checked luggage). Obviously I've now missed the flight :-(

Is this a new policy? WTF? It does show this policy on the Qantas website, but I travelled with this much several years ago.

I went across and talked to the Virgin people and they have absolutely no problem carrying it as fragile checked baggage! I promptly booked the cheaper Virgin flight for tomorrow morning! Just called up Jetstar and they said no problem either!

This seems like a ridiculous policy! I traveled Qantas to maintain my status and now this happens! Should I call up a bunch of the SA wineries and tell them about this new policy?
 
We have checked in a box of wine before, a couple of years ago on Qantas.
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Never heard of such a thing. Have checked in cases of wine many times in the past.
 
Maybe a mod could change the thread title.
I got the shakes until I realised it was about checked baggage.
 
Due to the alcoholic content in wine, or any other alcoholic drink, there is a limit on how much can be tranpsorted per passenger. This is in-line with the dangerous goods policy that would outline similar restraints on spare batteries and the like. I am surprised Jetstar gave you that response as all Qantas Group airlines follow the same Dangerous Goods Manual.

If you look at the Jetstar website it mentions the following:

"Jetstar and Qantas follow the same dangerous goods policy – governed by the IATA Dangerous Goods Regulations and CASA Civil Aviation Safety Regulations.
Certain dangerous goods are permitted on board as carry-on or checked baggage, but they must comply with specific requirements as outlined on the Qantas Dangerous Goods Guide."


If you look at the Virgin Australia website, it mentions the exact same policy:

"Alcoholic beverages

[FONT=&amp]Permitted as carry-on or checked baggage – A maximum net total of 5L per person is permitted providing the alcohol is contained within retail packaging. The alcohol must not be more than 70% alcohol by volume and consumption of alcohol carried on board is not permitted on the aircraft."


I am guessing from previous times when you have travelled maybe the dangerous goods rules were different as they are updated frequently, or there could have been a misunderstanding of the policy. But it seems all Jetstar, Qantas, and Virgin all have the same policy regarding alcoholic beverages, and perhaps the people you spoke to were unaware, but theoretically, only 5L should be taken onboard.

Hope that helps and I'm sorry to hear about the confusion you had.
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That seems clearly designed to restrict large quantities of (flammable) spirits from being transported. Is the 5L meant to represent the total volume of alcohol rather than the total volume of alcohol-containing fluid? Otherwise a couple of 6 packs of beer (or shandy!) could trigger the rule.
 
That seems clearly designed to restrict large quantities of (flammable) spirits from being transported. Is the 5L meant to represent the total volume of alcohol rather than the total volume of alcohol-containing fluid? Otherwise a couple of 6 packs of beer (or shandy!) could trigger the rule.

I believe its the total volume of 'alcohol-containing fluid' and considering a standard bottle of wine is 750ml (0.75L), then a case of 6 bottles wine would nearly reach the limit (4.5L).

Beer would usually be in a smaller can/bottle so I'd imagine you could take more :)
 
In any event, nearly all Australian wineries will happily courier your cases of wine to your destination at relatively low cost. This also means you don't have the hassle of lugging it around airports and taxis.
 
Due to the alcoholic content in wine, or any other alcoholic drink, there is a limit on how much can be tranpsorted per passenger. This is in-line with the dangerous goods policy that would outline similar restraints on spare batteries and the like. I am surprised Jetstar gave you that response as all Qantas Group airlines follow the same Dangerous Goods Manual.

If you look at the Jetstar website it mentions the following:

"Jetstar and Qantas follow the same dangerous goods policy – governed by the IATA Dangerous Goods Regulations and CASA Civil Aviation Safety Regulations.
Certain dangerous goods are permitted on board as carry-on or checked baggage, but they must comply with specific requirements as outlined on the Qantas Dangerous Goods Guide."


If you look at the Virgin Australia website, it mentions the exact same policy:

"Alcoholic beverages

Permitted as carry-on or checked baggage – A maximum net total of 5L per person is permitted providing the alcohol is contained within retail packaging. The alcohol must not be more than 70% alcohol by volume and consumption of alcohol carried on board is not permitted on the aircraft."


I am guessing from previous times when you have travelled maybe the dangerous goods rules were different as they are updated frequently, or there could have been a misunderstanding of the policy. But it seems all Jetstar, Qantas, and Virgin all have the same policy regarding alcoholic beverages, and perhaps the people you spoke to were unaware, but theoretically, only 5L should be taken onboard.

Hope that helps and I'm sorry to hear about the confusion you had.

I don't mean to offend, but the gist of that is utter nonsense. If alcohol like wine and beer are 'dangerous goods', then they shouldn't be transported at all, including by the airline in the cabin for serving to customers. There are certainly more than 5 litres of booze stacked together in the galleys (at least in International) and not in 'retail packaging'. Is this dangerous, and forbidden? That Chevis Regal? Flammable. Ban it!

Do cases of wine get transported by air freight? I reckon they do. Australia Post I'm pretty sure transports my wine orders (by the carton) from Buzz's wine tours to Tasmania by air.

The reference to CASA safety regulations and IATA Dangerous Goods Regulations is a bit cute. IATA isn't clear, as they want you to pay to see them, but the CASA regs seem to refer only to the requirement to have management plans, not that alcohol transportation in certain quantities is inherently dangerous and/or is forbidden by CASA. It seems to me that this policy is entirely an initiative of the airlines, not the regulators, although I stand to be corrected.

Lets look at this statement by 737 again:

Due to the alcoholic content in wine, or any other alcoholic drink, there is a limit on how much can be tranpsorted per passenger.

Could we be enlightened as to how the alcohol content of a beverage, transported in the hold, limits the amount that can be transported per passenger?

I too have frequently sent cartons of wine in checked baggage, over a number of years, and given the popularly of wine threads on AFF I reckon there would be more than a few in that boat.

Hope that helps and I'm sorry to hear about the confusion you had.

That's a bit rich. I don't think there is any 'confusion' on our part. We go to the airport and check in cartons of wine. Usually its perfectly obvious what it is. Maybe, 737, any 'confusion' is on the part of airline staff, if they are not supposed to check this stuff in, and yet that have been? What do you reckon?
 
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I don't mean to offend, but the gist of that is utter nonsense. If alcohol like wine and beer are 'dangerous goods', then they shouldn't be transported at all, including by the airline in the cabin for serving to customers. There are certainly more than 5 litres of booze stacked together in the galleys (at least in International) and not in 'retail packaging'. Is this dangerous, and forbidden? That Chevis Regal? Flammable. Ban it!

It certainly isn't allowed, and has been that way for as long as I can remember:
IATA DG's: https://www.iata.org/whatwedo/cargo/dgr/Documents/passenger-provisions-table-23A-en.pdf

Also there are numerous DG's that are actually carried which are not allowed to be carried by passengers on board, nor check in as actual baggage (ammo, chemical agents, radioactive material, flammable material etc etc)
 
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Do re-read your link - that only includes alcoholic beverages greater than 24%! Unless that's some seriously fortified wine he's buying, there's nothing there to suggest a problem with >5L :)

But then airlines have their own restrictions too:

VA
Alcoholic beverages
Permitted as carry-on or checked baggage – A maximum net total of 5L per person is permitted providing the alcohol is contained within retail packaging. The alcohol must not be more than 70% alcohol by volume and consumption of alcohol carried on board is not permitted on the aircraft.

QF
Requirements
  • Alcohol between 24%-70% 5L per passenger*
  • Alcohol under 24% 5L per passenger*
  • Alcohol over 70% not permitted
  • Alcohol must be securely sealed in retail packaging

So no Bacardi 151 it seems.
 
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I've never paid more than $10 for a case of wine from cellar door to be shipped (or an entire order when more than a case), and fees are often waived as a member. Short of taking a museum release home to drink in the near future, I ship most to our cellar anyway, so I wouldn't want the hassle of checking or carrying wine.

BUT, if one wants to check a case of Shiraz as luggage, who cares? Its funny you can have 5L of 70% content, or 5L of wine (12 % or something close to that I think). Just another way for the airlines to save a buck I think.
 
Maybe a mod could change the thread title.
I got the shakes until I realised it was about checked baggage.

Thankfully another member who knows how to use the report post system entered this thread and reported it to a moderator (small triangular icon with an exclamation point to the bottom left of every post). Simply asking a moderator to fix the thread, when there's no proof they're even in the thread, unfortunately does nothing :(

Think of the report post button like the bat signal, no matter where we are, we can see it and will take a look.
 
It certainly isn't allowed, and has been that way for as long as I can remember:
IATA DG's: https://www.iata.org/whatwedo/cargo/dgr/Documents/passenger-provisions-table-23A-en.pdf

Also there are numerous DG's that are actually carried which are not allowed to be carried by passengers on board, nor check in as actual baggage (ammo, chemical agents, radioactive material, flammable material etc etc)

Thanks ... and here is the relevant part:

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Do re-read your link - that only includes alcoholic beverages greater than 24%! Unless that's some seriously fortified wine he's buying, there's nothing there to suggest a problem with >5L :)

Exactly!

But then airlines have their own restrictions too:

VA
Alcoholic beverages
Permitted as carry-on or checked baggage – A maximum net total of 5L per person is permitted providing the alcohol is contained within retail packaging. The alcohol must not be more than 70% alcohol by volume and consumption of alcohol carried on board is not permitted on the aircraft.

QF
Requirements

  • Alcohol between 24%-70% 5L per passenger*
  • Alcohol under 24% 5L per passenger*
  • Alcohol over 70% not permitted
  • Alcohol must be securely sealed in retail packaging
  • So no Bacardi 151 it seems.

So the reference to IATA and CASA is a red herring. :mad:

Its obvious the IATA DG bulletin re alcohol is a reference to the flammability of high alcohol content booze. Fair enough and consistent with the rules on carriage of flammables in general.

Both airlines seem to be manipulating the intent (and wording!) of IATA which is restricted to booze >24%, to limit the carriage of >5 litres of alcoholic beverages in general. I wonder what the "danger" of carrying a dozen bottles of wine, suitable packaged (not allowed), is over the carriage of a dozen stubbies of beer (allowed)? Would one burn/explode and not the other?

And my point about the airline carrying high alcohol % drinks in their galleys remains.
 
Question for the OP - how were the 15 bottles packaged? You don't actually mention this. Were they in a carton - or did you have them in a suitcase?
 
Apologies for the misleading thread title!

It's interesting how the VA site does clearly show a limit of 5L for < 24% as well. Fortunately the checkin staff were super friendly this morning and I had no problems at all. So it seems like the policy isn't being strictly enforced.

Question for the OP - how were the 15 bottles packaged? You don't actually mention this. Were they in a carton - or did you have them in a suitcase?

There was a cardboard box marked "Rockford Black Shiraz" on the outside... 12 bottles in the box and 3 in my suitcase with clothes. They didn't even ask (or know about) the bottles in my suitcase. They just refused to check the box in. Both were checked in and came through just fine on the VA flight this morning. I actually had 2 more in my carry-on backpack as well.

I needed the wine with me because I now live in Seattle and I'm flying back there on Sunday... Thankfully I'm flying back with Cathay Pacific and they have no such restrictions - they follow the IATA 5L for > 24% rule noted above. In fact their policy is curiously celebratory:

Bringing home a little treat from your holidays? You may bring alcoholic beverages back with you, as long as they are in their retail packaging, with an alcoholic content of 24-70%. Each passenger is entitled to a total net quantity of 5 litres per person, either in your checked or cabin baggage. If your drinks have 24% or less alcohol content, they are not governed by the prior restrictions. Please be aware that if you take alcoholic items in your hand luggage, rules for liquids, aerosols and gases still apply.

I also called Qantas to find out when this changed and they claimed this has always been their policy. The agent didn't know anything about dangerous goods aspects.
 
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