My Qantas Saga (and why I am about to toss my loyalty)

Status
Not open for further replies.

JB expat

Active Member
Joined
Jul 14, 2011
Posts
585
Qantas
Platinum
This relates to another thread I started, but people were asking me "why" and once I wrote it up, I thought it was worth posting separately to find out if anyone has ever had an experience like this with Qantas (I'm a Gold for what it is worth - clearly, not much)... I'd be furious at Qantas even if I was a non-status flyer...

We started with a round trip family booking MEL to HNL return (points booking) - booking was for myself, my husband, our 4 year old and our 2 year old...everyone booked under 1 booking/flying together. Something came up with my husband's work - he needed to return to MEL a week before the rest of our family. Called Qantas - they said "no problem", we can split your husband's booking off/cancel his return and book him a return that you will have to pay for at current ticket prices (approx AU$734 for the single return leg)/refund the points (less penalty) & taxes paid etc. I was very happy with that. Spent some time on the phone while the agent split his booking off/confirmed by cc number/went over ALL seat assignments to ensure family still seated together for all flights (important later). Agent was quite nice - seemed competent.

Well, no email came through to my registered email or my husband's email regarding new single leg booking, which I thought was odd - so I called. Here's what they found...my husband's return leg had been cancelled, no new booking had been made and my 4 year old was also split off from the original booking which they guessed was due to his middle name being the same as my husband's first name (given how pedantic airlines are about matching names to reservations, this is just sloppy). Agent #2 was appropriately apologetic, spent ages on the phone - he said 1 - they won't charge me the penalty points for the cancellation (which, I have not checked) and 2 - he took my cc number (rather than just repeating the last 4 digits of the card used for the original booking as Agent #1 did) and promised me all was set.

I logged on to my QF account and my husband's QF account the next day - could not find one of the now 4 related bookings (as per the above, there were now 4 bookings - one for myself & my 3 year old; 1 for my 4 year old who should have never been split off and 2 for my husband - outbound and return). Qantas had promised me they were all linked in their system and that we were all seated together. I was at wits end - this was 2 days before our trip. I reached out to a local community group on Facebook to find out if anyone had any contacts with Qantas (I knew there was one active member who used to work for Qantas in specifically for their Chairman's Club members). This lovely woman responded and offered to help free of charge. She took all my details etc., went over the booking (she could not believe how stuffed up it was) and called Qantas. She spent 1.5 hours on the phone with them (I kid you not) - she would not take anything from me although I'm taking her for coffee next week. She asked the agent on the phone to issue my husband's ticket on the spot (apparently, there's 2 steps - booking/paying & then having the ticket issued...new purchases are first in the queue for ticket issuance and any changes get pushed to the back of the queue and are moved up based on departure day...according to Lovely Woman...so she wanted them to push through my husband's new ticket). Agent said they couldn't push it through as it was after 5pm on a Friday (true or not, I don't know). Lovely Woman also asked them to confirm our family seats as she said she did not trust them to do anything right at this point. Anyway, Lovely Woman said we should be set and told me to double check in the lounge on departure day (note - I forgot to do this - will prove to be a big mistake although I really did not think it was necessary at this point).

Later that same night (2 nights prior to departure), I call Qantas to confirm that all the AFIS information was still tied to all bookings - went through EVERY booking and she confirmed all AFIS info there (this is why I did not think to check in the lounge - I mean, if she could see all the bookings/confirm AFIS, all should be set).

Arrive at airport, our family of 4 flies out no problem...seats together etc.

Husband departs HNL a week before the rest of us. I speak to him from HNL the day after he landed in Melbourne and find out - HE HAD TO PURCHASE A TICKET ON THE SPOT FOR AU$1400 AS QANTAS HAD NO BOOKING IN THEIR SYSTEM FOR HIM. He had the print out with the confirmation number which he showed them and they (at this point 3 of them in HNL airport) said that it had been cancelled as it had never been paid for - I KID YOU NOT. I then spent TWO $^&*() HOURS on the phone during my holiday (with steam coming out of my ears) with Qantas Customer Service. The very nice agent (all agents very nice - it's the competency I question), looks at all our bookings including my husband's and just cannot figure out why it was cancelled. She said there are tons of notes about the rebooking/confirmation etc. etc. She said that she sees no reason why we won't be refunded the difference but she cannot do it - it needs to go through their complaint system. Because I'm on holiday without a laptop, she offers to write up and submit the complaint for me - which she does (adds about 40 minutes to the call). I see on my phone that it was submitted and Qantas has 15 business days to reply...it's been 10 business days - no response. I'm giving them the 15 days before I dispute the charge with AmEx (my Qantas branded AmEx which costs almost $400/year in fees and I will drop if I abandon Qantas which is highly likely based on the input received in this thread - the only reason I've put up with the fee is that it comes with travel insurance that more than pays for itself by not having to buy it separately when we travel).

But it does not end there - just to add a final insult. I board the Qantas jet to head home from HNL to MEL via SYD and we walk to our seats - we are assigned 2 seats in the middle row of 5 seats and 1 seat ACROSS THE AISLE - remember, my children are 4 and 2!!!! and one of them is expected to sit with strangers across the aisle (or am I expected to sit with strangers and let me 2 depend on whoever else is in the row of 5) - this is despite confirming we are seated together at least 4-5 times in the months/weeks/days leading up to the trip. Of course the passengers involved agreed to change and we ended up with the entire middle row - but this just added to my outrage.

Reliving this has fired me up again - I'm pounding at the key board...so that's my tale.
 
WOW what an absolute disgrace we Feel for you and would be doing exactly the same in your shoes. We sincerely hope that QF do the right thing by you and your family and offer substantial compensation.
 
With something like this, a good course of action to inflict an equal measure of pain is to specifically request a written letter to a full audit trail including all the notes taken and how this monumental cough up occurred. This means it has to be elevated to the executive level for such a reply. I do mean insist on a written reply, not some squib of a phone call apology. Do not for one moment take that BS line that is a "system glitch", there is no such thing in IT. It's not the Matrix.
 
With something like this, a good course of action to inflict an equal measure of pain is to specifically request a written letter to a full audit trail including all the notes taken and how this monumental cough up occurred. This means it has to be elevated to the executive level for such a reply. I do mean insist on a written reply, not some squib of a phone call apology. Do not for one moment take that BS line that is a "system glitch", there is no such thing in IT. It's not the Matrix.

You know what - I am out of energy - I have spent at least 5 plus hours on the phone with them which does not include the time of the Lovey Woman who helped. I want my refund (plus the $60 we had to pay the car service as my husband was a "no show" because he was booked on a slightly different final leg from Syd to Mel)...and then to abandon them. Maybe I will summon up a final last effort (I've been known to do so), but right now I want to be made whole and not look back - it was such a horrid customer service experience.
 
Awful. I feel your pain. What an awful experience. Hopefully Red Roo will reach out and try make things as best right as they can.
 
With something like this, a good course of action to inflict an equal measure of pain is to specifically request a written letter to a full audit trail including all the notes taken and how this monumental cough up occurred. This means it has to be elevated to the executive level for such a reply. I do mean insist on a written reply, not some squib of a phone call apology. Do not for one moment take that BS line that is a "system glitch", there is no such thing in IT. It's not the Matrix.

Agree with this. Venting on AFF is good, but much better to write an old fashioned letter, addressed to head of Loyalty, Leslie Grant, copy to the MD and each board member at their 'normal' (not Qantas) work addresses (can be found out with a bit of effort. Write the letter in a coherent, non emotional way, (and as brief as possible) and it should at least be read. Think of what compensation you would like and give some justification for this (ie its not a figure grabbed out of the air). (Oh, and double check all your facts - its easy enough for something not consistent with your narrative to slip through, in which case they can dismiss you.)

Why? Because airlines, banks, telcos or any firm shouldn't get away with this sort of thing. the more they do, the more it will keep happening.



You know what - I am out of energy - I have spent at least 5 plus hours on the phone with them which does not include the time of the Lovey Woman who helped. I want my refund (plus the $60 we had to pay the car service as my husband was a "no show" because he was booked on a slightly different final leg from Syd to Mel)...and then to abandon them. Maybe I will summon up a final last effort (I've been known to do so), but right now I want to be made whole and not look back - it was such a horrid customer service experience.

Understand completely. But I hope you can 'get back on the horse' and follow through.
 
Agree with this. Venting on AFF is good, but much better to write an old fashioned letter, addressed to head of Loyalty, Leslie Grant, copy to the MD and each board member at their 'normal' (not Qantas) work addresses (can be found out with a bit of effort. Write the letter in a coherent, non emotional way, (and as brief as possible) and it should at least be read. Think of what compensation you would like and give some justification for this (ie its not a figure grabbed out of the air). (Oh, and double check all your facts - its easy enough for something not consistent with your narrative to slip through, in which case they can dismiss you.)

I agree that a comprehensive non emotional letter, to the people mentioned, is the way to proceed and without delay. Set a date for them to get back to you rather than leaving it to them to set the agenda. I would think if Red Roo does not see fit to get involved and QF do not satisfactorily resolve the issues, with appropriate compensation, within a reasonable time period it would be interesting to see if channel's 9's "A Current Affair" would like to look into how QF can get it so wrong. Alternatively VCAT may be the last resort.
 
It's interesting.. I've had similar issues with Qantas in the past when it comes to ticket changes. Years ago I was booked SYD-PEK direct (when it existed) and, when that service was cancelled, the booking was changed to SYD-HKG. Then after a fight (they said that the alternative they were offering was HKG and that was it) it was changed to SYD-HKG-PEK and then to SYD-PVG-PEK, back to SYD-HKG-PEK and finally again to SYD-PVG-PEK (all as a result of schedule changes). Each time, the staff member did a lot of stuffing around to reissue the tickets.
Turned out that, upon checkin, the tickets hadn't been issued and there was 2 hours of screwing around getting it fixed by somebody at Sydney Intl.
Then, on departure from PEK, same problem - ticket hadn't been issued.
Finally, on return to Australia and for my connection to BNE, same thing again. Ticket not issued (and I was told to go and call somebody - and missed the flight).
It does seem that there are serious backend issues at Qantas when it comes to manually changing tickets. Why is it so hard?
 
It's amazing how an airline can be "The Best" one day and then the next day.....
 
Elevate your business spending to first-class rewards! Sign up today with code AFF10 and process over $10,000 in business expenses within your first 30 days to unlock 10,000 Bonus PayRewards Points.
Join 30,000+ savvy business owners who:

✅ Pay suppliers who don’t accept Amex
✅ Max out credit card rewards—even on government payments
✅ Earn & transfer PayRewards Points to 10+ airline & hotel partners

Start earning today!
- Pay suppliers who don’t take Amex
- Max out credit card rewards—even on government payments
- Earn & Transfer PayRewards Points to 8+ top airline & hotel partners

AFF Supporters can remove this and all advertisements

It's amazing how an airline can be "The Best" one day and then the next day.....

Those are my husband's thoughts on this matter. I moved here 12 years ago and started flying Qantas then - was great compared to US airlines. Now it's almost no different (although generally speaking, the flight attendants on Q international (both domestic & economy) are still much better than on US airlines). My husband who has been flying Q for twice as long, laments the good old days of Q and has for some time.
 
Absolutely shocking. Sorry about your experience. Sounds like the incompetent customer service one usually receives from Middle Eastern airlines!
 
:) And I think a number of folks here have her direct contact details (gained legitimately!), if the OP cares to ask for them.

I may - I am willing to give them the 15 business days (plus I saw that Red Roo was on this thread an hour or so ago)...I have someone named Virginia (head office) direct number as well (also legitimately obtained). I want to give them a chance to do the right thing/explain what happened (I really want the explanation) - partly because I'm over dealing with this and partly because I want a good reason to continue to fly them.
 
I recently ditched Qantas. Airlines are always going to stuff things up, but it's how they followed up my complaint (or, rather, the lack of follow-up) that tipped me over the edge. VA / Altitude points are accruing nicely and I might even make WP in 2016.
 
This is shocking customer service and even more so for all the hours you have spent trying to get this simple (originally) request actioned. I can understand why you are out of patience, I do trust it will be sorted to your satisfaction. Maybe nowadays with Qantas members on this site. I had a dreadful experience similar a few years ago and was on them all the time until I got a fairly satisfactory outcome, nothing could change the stuff up in the beginning and waste of days leave, long delays etc. Holding thumbs for you.
 
A good Kiwi phrase is " Kia Kaha"....Stand Strong...

You have been involved in an incredibly dire and frustrating and ridiculous scenario.

Having read your script, I WAS LEFT SPEECHLESS !

My partner is in BNE Lounges and has 16 + years qf and Ansett involvement, and of all the days stories I have never heard of such a debacle as you have had to endure.

As others have said, Please find the strength and go to the top of the ladder and concisely unemotionally(mostly) put forward your situation.


Peers are right in saying to search out the addresses of hierarchy and CEO's and approach in a direct and clinical but human manner.

And as for the suggestion by a member that you put forward your desire for compensation, I agree fully.
I'd suggest at minimum a longhaul return pair of J seats at minimum for you and your husband
,...or alternatively, next years FAMILY unemcumbered holiday flights with guaranteed seating allocations, with points ( can always deduct them as a negotiation tool).

Again, Kia Kaha, Stand Strong & Kick their collective coughs...

YOU DESERVE IT.
Nuff said, Donavan
 
Patiently waiting to see what is done - I do expect to hear something by the end of this week as I was contacted to tell me that Q will be in touch. Given that we (or part of the "we") are going to the US 2-3 times next year (trips planned but not yet booked), I'm hopeful that I will be pleased with the outcome.

PS - although I think my story is woeful, I have to say, I've read some pretty bad ones on this site so I don't know who gets the prize for the worst (there was recently one about being stuck at a smaller airport post-closing hours due to airline stuff up that was just horrible).
 
A Red Roo stuff up for sure.

You'd think QF would be able to do a transaction like this without a stuff up. OK I would like with a stuff up on maybe a ticket not going through but when issuing boarding passes having little kids and mum not sitting together is appalling especailly when you consider the way QF carry on about doing the right thing.

Good luck with it all, if you have no satisfaction let me know via a PM.

Matt
 
Wow, I'm speechless...my sympathies to you! They'd better offer you the full refund of your husbands ticket or I'd be taking them to Fair Trading
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Become an AFF member!

Join Australian Frequent Flyer (AFF) for free and unlock insider tips, exclusive deals, and global meetups with 65,000+ frequent flyers.

AFF members can also access our Frequent Flyer Training courses, and upgrade to Fast-track your way to expert traveller status and unlock even more exclusive discounts!

AFF forum abbreviations

Wondering about Y, J or any of the other abbreviations used on our forum?

Check out our guide to common AFF acronyms & abbreviations.
Back
Top