Multiple people injured on Qatar Airways flight from DOH to DUB - severe turbulence

[RSVKanga]

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[OZDUCK]

According to CNA the turbulence happened over Turkey and they then flew on to Dublin. Seems a long trip if pax are injured

Twelve injured as Qatar Airways Dublin flight hits turbulence, airport says

DUBLIN: Twelve people travelling on a Qatar Airways flight from Doha to Ireland were injured during a bout of turbulence, Dublin Airport said on Sunday (May 26), adding that the plane landed safely and as scheduled. Flight QR017, a Boeing 787 Dreamliner, landed shortly before 1pm Dublin time...

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[jb747]

According to the article, 6 passengers, and another 6 crew. So is this another example of cabin service whilst the signs are on?

 

[Lynda2475]

They interviewed an Aussie couple who were on the flight who said the people in the row in front of them hit the ceiling as were not wearing their seat belts despite being seated. So no lesson learned by some.

 

[jb747]

Interestingly, the CAT chart for the area doesn’t show anything of particular note.

Reminds me of a story… Some years ago now, a major airline was flying into Oz, and had a turbulence encounter that resulted in some minor injuries. Totally out of the blue. No signs, no prior bumps. And that might have been the end of the story, except that someone decided to have a look at the FDR, and it turned out that no turbulence was involved at all. One of the pilots must have been a fan of Hollywood style flying and had reached up (presumably intending to reconfigure the fuel flows), but had instead turned off all of the hydraulics. Instead of taking his time, and reading the switches (and having the selections cross-checked), he’d just rapidly punched the buttons.

The aircraft responded with a wealth of warnings, but as the flight controls were no longer powered, it gently started to pitch up. The other pilot pushed forward on the controls to counter this, but for the same reason, no response. At this time the racing switch selector realised what he’d done, and rapidly turned the hydraulics back on. And the controls were suddenly powered, and gave a suitable negative g response, as the other bloke was still trying to push the nose down. And then he was trying to stop the pitch down, so now a strong positive pull.

Now known as pilot induced turbulence.

 

[RooFlyer]

According to the article, 6 passengers, and another 6 crew. So is this another example of cabin service whilst the signs are on?

One of the things I dislike about QR is that their staff are totally focused on the passengers even to their own possible detriment. I’m sure they don’t choose to do it but it’s what Airlines insists I believe.

 

[Ade]

They interviewed an Aussie couple who were on the flight who said the people in the row in front of them hit the ceiling as were not wearing their seat belts despite being seated. So no lesson learned by some.

How hard can it be be seated with seat belt fastened, done low and tight. I mean, sometimes people!

 

[jb747]

One of the things I dislike about QR is that their staff are totally focused on the passengers even to their own possible detriment. I’m sure they don’t choose to do it but it’s what Airlines insists I believe.

And if they insist on one unsafe practice, all to look good, then what others are they going with that you don't see?

 

[RooFlyer]

And if they insist on one unsafe practice, all to look good, then what others are they going with that you don't see?

Probably not as many as involves Boeing which in turn seems to be compromising half the fleets in the world, with the new 787 issue on top of max and all the Spirit stuff.

But back to QR, I honestly couldn’t see them cutting safety-related corners of the type you might be implying as they do have a pride in their fleet reliability.

 

[jb747]

Probably not as many as involves Boeing which in turn seems to be compromising half the fleets in the world, with the new 787 issue on top of max and all the Spirit stuff.

So true. The stories keep getting better.

But back to QR, I honestly couldn’t see them cutting safety-related corners of the type you might be implying as they do have a pride in their fleet reliability.

But that's my point. You wouldn't know. In particular, application of MELs, or even their non application (by a culture of not writing things up) can do wonders for apparent reliability.

 

[RooFlyer]

Now there has been a prominent event (SQ), the media are telling us about all of them. QR, and now TK:

Turkish Airlines Flight Attendant Hits Cabin Ceiling & Breaks Spine After Severe Turbulence Rocks Airbus A321

 

[Himeno]

Now there has been a prominent event (SQ), the media are telling us about all of them. QR, and now TK:

Turkish Airlines Flight Attendant Hits Cabin Ceiling & Breaks Spine After Severe Turbulence Rocks Airbus A321

and people will still blame Boeing for that TK A321 incident.

 

[RooFlyer]

Now there has been a prominent event (SQ), the media are telling us about all of them. QR, and now TK:

Turkish Airlines Flight Attendant Hits Cabin Ceiling & Breaks Spine After Severe Turbulence Rocks Airbus A321

And now The National Carrier (tm), although the TSB seems to have been slow to get this off the mark

Turbulent Qantas flight under investigation after cabin crew member was badly hurt

Qantas is being investigated over a turbulence episode on a flight from Sydney to Brisbane on May 4, in which a flight attendant suffered a broken ankle.

The Australian Transport Safety Bureau has only just flagged the investigation, almost four weeks after the incident which occurred on a Boeing 737-800 at about 9000ft.

It’s understood the decision to investigate was made after further information was gathered from Qantas.

According to the ATSB investigation brief, seatbelt signs were turned on but crew members were not yet seated when the turbulence struck.

“One of the cabin crew members sustained a serious ankle injury,” the ATSB said.

As an aside, its an interesting counterpoint to those who whine "If this [an incident] happened to Qantas, it would be all over the news".

 

[RSVKanga]

those who whine "If this [an incident] happened to Qantas, it would be all over the news"

Of course it would. Not referring to the minor event in your post, but if it was QF2 that was impacted instead of SQ321, there would be not just consistent anti-QF coverage across all Australian MSM, but also another hostile anti-QF Senate inquiry set up in the name of ‘aviation safety’. Joe Aston also gets renewed excitement for his provocative ‘book’. That’s just the reality.

All the anti-QF and anti-Australia forces would start attacking QF on an unsubstantiated safety front, and I doubt someone like you would refrain from that if it had happened.

 

[drron]

Of course it would. Not referring to the minor event in your post, but if it was QF2 that was impacted instead of SQ321, they’d be consistent anti-QF coverage across all Australian MSM as well as another hostile ‘safety’ Senate inquiry set up. All the anti-QF and anti-Australia forces would start attacking QF on a safety front, and I doubt someone like you would refrain from that if it had happened.

You know your over the top defence of QF and laughing at posts that disagree with you certainly increases my resolve not to fly QF. I think they have a great safety record thanks in part to the standard of pilots that they have had. Yet reading in a few places some QF pilots are just a tad disappointed in the QF management.
And for the record I have never flown QR. I have been to Dubai once on CX. I have flown Emirates once and don;t want to fly with them again.
But I get usually cheaper fares with better service and catering than QFi. I also belong to now 3 other FF programs that for me are better than QFF - BA,AA and now VA.

 

[Quickstatus]

I doubt someone like you would refrain from that if it had happened.

Of course not. No need to refrain from such discussion. After al, l if as you say it's the "national" airline, then it should be discussed and greater scrutiny applied as a matter of public interest.

 

[RooFlyer]

and I doubt someone like you would refrain from that if it had happened.

Someone like me, eh? DYKWIA? In 47 years of flying, flown almost 4 million km on over 1,300 flights using 62 different airlines, including 558 flights on Qantas, 206 on VA, 30 each on QR and SQ.

So, yeah. Someone 'like me', with a bit of experience and able to call tripe when I see it

 

[Pushka]

You know your over the top defence of QF and laughing at posts that disagree with you certainly increases my resolve not to fly QF.

I'm laughing because I like your first line. Maybe Adelaide people are privileged after all by QI not flying here. Although I still sometimes interconnect with the eastern states it isn't my first etc choice to fly with Qantas, although we are doing so in a couple of weeks to Bali but only because of DSC booking. The rest of the trip to Europe? CX.

 

[RSVKanga]

In 47 years of flying, flown almost 4 million km on over 1,300 flights using 62 different airlines, including 558 flights on Qantas, 206 on VA, 30 each on QR and SQ.

So, yeah. Someone 'like me', with a bit of experience and able to call tripe when I see it

All irrelevant information. I’m just saying that based on the large amount of anti-QF content in your post history, it’s fair to say that you’d struggle to resist blaming QF for a turbulence incident had it been a QF flight that was affected instead of SQ321, or this QR flight.

 

[RooFlyer]

All irrelevant information.

Well, you did make it about me . Come to AFF in Brisbane and I can tell you more about me, over a beer or two.