More competition across the ditch

[markis10]

Airline route are reporting Taiwan's China Airlines is extending its TPE-SYD service to go to AKL 4 times a week from 28 Oct.

 

[haydensydney]

Intriguing.... I doubt it will be a hit but I guess it all comes down to pricing.

 

[docjames]

Wow, so much service, can any of them be making money?

 

[richie9x]

They currently fly BNE-AKL three times a week. They had some very cheap economy and business fares when they started. It was quite tempting, but I never ended up flying with them. The prices went up again this year and are often higher than competition.

I assume they will be removing BNE-AKL in favour of SYD-AKL.

 

[Limewood]

And Chinese Southern regular to Cairns too, here they come.

 

[smit0847]

Good god - how many carriers do we need on one route?

Qantas
Virgin
Air New Zealand
Jetstar
LAN
Aerolinas Argentinas
Emirates
China Airlines

any others?

I wonder how many routes around the world have this many carriers? I wonder what route has the most carriers flying it? LHR-JFK? SIN-HKG?

 

[here2go]

I could be mistaken, but my understanding for flights to NZ with these carriers had something to do with cheaper aircraft parking, maintenance, etc across the ditch.

 

[harvyk]

I could be mistaken, but my understanding for flights to NZ with these carriers had something to do with cheaper aircraft parking, maintenance, etc across the ditch.

I've heard that too, for EK, it was cheaper for them to fly across the ditch than park at SYD for 12 hours. Plus they made a bit of money on freight considering both AirNZ and QF \ JQ like to run across using narrow bodies.

 

[markis10]

They currently fly BNE-AKL three times a week. They had some very cheap economy and business fares when they started. It was quite tempting, but I never ended up flying with them. The prices went up again this year and are often higher than competition.

I assume they will be removing BNE-AKL in favour of SYD-AKL.

BNE-AKL will continue, no changes flagged for those flights. In combination with the BNE services they will have a daily service to NZ, putting them in a position to sell Aus and NZ combos with less need to codeshare/sit pax on another carriers aircraft.

Taipei Taoyuan – Auckland
Overall service will increase from 3 weekly to daily, as 4 weekly Sydney operation will extend to Auckland. This results in capacity reduction for Sydney operation
CI051 TPE2300 – 1120+1SYD1230+1 – 1740+1AKL 333 x146
CI052 AKL1850 – 2020SYD2200 – 0420+1TPE 333 x257 CI053 TPE2350 – 1040+1BNE1220+1 – 1830+1AKL 333 146
CI054 AKL2045 – 2125BNE2315 – 0600+1TPE 333 257

http://airlineroute.net/2012/07/31/...medium=Social+Media&utm_campaign=Tweets120731

 

[here2go]

I've heard that too, for EK, it was cheaper for them to fly across the ditch than park at SYD for 12 hours. Plus they made a bit of money on freight considering both AirNZ and QF \ JQ like to run across using narrow bodies.

Makes sense - I also heard that surface shipping between Aus and NZ is amongst the most expensive in the world due to costs at each port, which would make air freight more reasonable.

 

[Justchecking]

Who would have thought NZ to be such a lucrative market? Maybe HBA could lure a few for 'parking purposes'.....

 

[kamchatsky]

Good god - how many carriers do we need on one route?

Qantas
Virgin
Air New Zealand
Jetstar
LAN
Aerolinas Argentinas
Emirates
China Airlines

any others?

I wonder how many routes around the world have this many carriers? I wonder what route has the most carriers flying it? LHR-JFK? SIN-HKG?

Just some digging: You would be looking at SIN-CGK and BKK-HKG

What is the most competitive air route in the world? - FlyerTalk Forums

 

[smit0847]

I've heard that too, for EK, it was cheaper for them to fly across the ditch than park at SYD for 12 hours. Plus they made a bit of money on freight considering both AirNZ and QF \ JQ like to run across using narrow bodies.

Given how many flights they have to SYD each week why don't they just turn the plane around back to DXB ASAP instead?

 

[harvyk]

Given how many flights they have to SYD each week why don't they just turn the plane around back to DXB ASAP instead?

No idea, I'm simply reporting what the rumor mill has told me.

It could be that an ASAP turn around may do horrible things with timings which means that they can't get the loads for an ASAP turn around. It could also be that they are making additional $ from picking up NZ pax. Or it could simply be a big middle finger to QF \ AirNZ \ VA because they can...

 

[markis10]

Given how many flights they have to SYD each week why don't they just turn the plane around back to DXB ASAP instead?

It's a market they want to be in for freight and passenger traffic, while Allowing better connections at the other end.

 

[richie9x]

I've heard that too, for EK, it was cheaper for them to fly across the ditch than park at SYD for 12 hours. Plus they made a bit of money on freight considering both AirNZ and QF \ JQ like to run across using narrow bodies.

Maybe it was once true. But these days on most days EK has three flights to SYD that orginated from Dubai. One goes on to AKL, one turns around and the other stays the night for a 6am departure.

 

[markis10]

Looking at the numbers I would suggest freight revenue is an attraction for EK:

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[TD]Aerolineas Argentinas[/TD]
[TD]New Zealand[/TD]
[TD] 1 421[/TD]
[TD] 59.6[/TD]
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[TD] 1 182[/TD]
[TD] 52.3[/TD]
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[TD]Air New Zealand[/TD]
[TD]New Zealand[/TD]
[TD] 100 886[/TD]
[TD] 2 000.9[/TD]
[TD] 229.1[/TD]
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[TD] 93 505[/TD]
[TD] 1 511.7[/TD]
[TD] 0.1[/TD]
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[TD]China Airlines[/TD]
[TD]New Zealand[/TD]
[TD] 2 160[/TD]
[TD] 48.3[/TD]
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[TD] 3 277[/TD]
[TD] 82.7[/TD]
[TD] 0.0[/TD]
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[TD]Emirates[/TD]
[TD]New Zealand[/TD]
[TD] 25 612[/TD]
[TD] 1 257.9[/TD]
[TD] 0.0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD] 21 814[/TD]
[TD] 700.2[/TD]
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[TD]Jetstar (a)[/TD]
[TD]New Zealand[/TD]
[TD] 27 814[/TD]
[TD] 8.2[/TD]
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[TD] 26 386[/TD]
[TD] 32.1[/TD]
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[TD]LAN Airlines[/TD]
[TD]New Zealand[/TD]
[TD] 2 295[/TD]
[TD] 25.7[/TD]
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[TD] 2 141[/TD]
[TD] 90.3[/TD]
[TD] 0.7[/TD]
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[TD]New Zealand[/TD]
[TD] 54 709[/TD]
[TD] 901.4[/TD]
[TD] 42.7[/TD]
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[TD] 48 662[/TD]
[TD] 1 088.4[/TD]
[TD] 143.1[/TD]
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[TD]Singapore Airlines[/TD]
[TD]New Zealand[/TD]
[TD]..[/TD]
[TD] 269.6[/TD]
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[TD]..[/TD]
[TD] 472.1[/TD]
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[TD]Tasman Cargo Airlines[/TD]
[TD]New Zealand[/TD]
[TD]..[/TD]
[TD] 314.4[/TD]
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[TD]..[/TD]
[TD] 333.9[/TD]
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[TD]Virgin Australia (d)[/TD]
[TD]New Zealand[/TD]
[TD] 41 829[/TD]
[TD] 51.4[/TD]
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[TD] 39 513[/TD]
[TD] 37.4[/TD]
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[UP4014]

With so much choice I don't feel the need to bother with China Airlines.

 

[ric_melb]

The image of the China Airlines jumbo that overshot the runway at Kai Tak in 1993 is somehow still etched in my mind.

 

[yohy?!]

The image of the China Airlines jumbo that overshot the runway at Kai Tak in 1993 is somehow still etched in my mind.

Not to mention the LAX flight that flipped over mid-air, the TPE takeoff where the airframe disintegrated or the fire that wrote off a 737 on the ground a few years back!