MH 777 missing - MH370 media statement

[amaroo]

Here is another angle on the mystery.

https://www.facebook.com/danielle.m.osman/posts/10152237096608936

The phone issue has been debunked, but she seems to have put a lot of time into this one...

It's out there! One of the better ones...

 

[AviatorPJ]

She could improve her spelling on the major points of her argument..However why would the Saudi's use Iranians?

Much going on in that region. BBC News - Gulf ambassadors pulled from Qatar over 'interference' seemingly over, Al Jeezera.
Qatar shares gas fields with Iran, and long standing ties. Iran seems to be looking to expand trade and other links in the Arabian peninsula and with Gulf Cooperation Countires. IRAN PRESIDENT ARRIVES TODAY | Oman Observer (see last paragraph) .
Back OT.
Does/did the missing plane have enough fuel to reach the Arabian peninsula from its turn point? without need to refuel?

 

[markis10]

The sources who have been leaking the info that makes the most sense over the past few days are indicating that the US believe the aircraft went south. I suspect they are right purely on the basis that there was too much land going North and subsequently radars.

 

[DrA]

The sources who have been leaking the info that makes the most sense over the past few days are indicating that the US believe the aircraft went south. I suspect they are right purely on the basis that there was too much land going North and subsequently radars.

If it did indeed go south, as far as I can tell, that implies somewhere in Indonesia or Australia - assuming it landed. Do we really want to believe that a B777 could land undetected on Australian soil?

Otherwise, it would seem more likely that it went into the sea. And if the purpose was to steal the plane for future use, utilize the engineers who were on board, or a hijack for ransom, ditching it into the sea seems to defeat the purpose.

So...Indonesia?

 

[markis10]

If it did indeed go south, as far as I can tell, that implies somewhere in Indonesia or Australia - assuming it landed. Do we really want to believe that a B777 could land undetected on Australian soil?

Otherwise, it would seem more likely that it went into the sea. And if the purpose was to steal the plane for future use, utilize the engineers who were on board, or a hijack for ransom, ditching it into the sea seems to defeat the purpose.

So...Indonesia?

I would suggest they believe its in the sea, as in a suicide.

 

[Melburnian1]

markis10 and others, given that this has now been going on for eight days with (at least publicly, as opposed to what intelligence agencies may know) no established cause, will it become easier as time goes on to narrow down the possibilities and hence work up an hypothesis, or does the effluxion of time work against investigators because evidence becomes harder to collect (or, if the plane is at the bottom of the sea, has 'disappeared'?)

 

[DrA]

I would suggest they believe its in the sea, as in a suicide.

I suppose. Just doesn't make sense that they'd fly that far out of the way if all they wanted to do was crash a plane. Though that being said, someone who's planning to kill themselves and 238 other people isn't exactly going to be thinking logically in the first place.

 

[whatmeworry]

A list of pilot suicides.

ASN News » List of aircraft accidents caused by pilot suicide

If this incident joins the list above, then it will be the most elaborate.

 

[pippy]

I suppose. Just doesn't make sense that they'd fly that far out of the way if all they wanted to do was crash a plane. Though that being said, someone who's planning to kill themselves and 238 other people isn't exactly going to be thinking logically in the first place.

Maybe if it was pilot suicide he didn't want to leave the shame for his family, and potentially there is a payout of sorts also(no idea just speculating), shrouding the disappearance in mystery would perhaps safe face for his familly?

 

[mrs.dr.ron]

Just doesn't make sense that they'd fly that far out of the way if all they wanted to do was crash a plane.

or to crash the plane into very deep water = making it harder to find ?

someone who's planning to kill themselves and 238 other people isn't exactly going to be thinking logically in the first place

totally agree !!!!

 

[prozac]

Maybe if it was pilot suicide he didn't want to leave the shame for his family, and potentially there is a payout of sorts also(no idea just speculating), shrouding the disappearance in mystery would perhaps safe face for his familly?

I doubt it is suicide. Suicide is simply not this complicated.

 

[whatmeworry]

I suppose. Just doesn't make sense that they'd fly that far out of the way if all they wanted to do was crash a plane. Though that being said, someone who's planning to kill themselves and 238 other people isn't exactly going to be thinking logically in the first place.

This looks like it was very well planned. Perhaps it was the intention to never be found or that the person doing the piloting lost consciousness and plane flew aimlessly.
Till we find the plane we still don't know anything conclusively.

 

[Pushka]

And unfortunately suicides do involve very elaborate planning. Only logical to the planner. It's just much worse when it involves innocent others. But agree it could all be about saving "face" and family shame.

It's hard to think about what is worse. A terrorist attack or a pilot flying in such a state of mind to do something like this.

 

[I hate Alan]

There's the chance that the US are reluctant to let on to much incase of exposing how they are able to come by that information, if you get my drift?

 

[I hate Alan]

Wasn't there an ex Qantas investigator earlier in the week pointing at the crew as the only plausible explanation? I can't find the link now.

 

[legroom]

I suppose. Just doesn't make sense that they'd fly that far out of the way if all they wanted to do was crash a plane. Though that being said, someone who's planning to kill themselves and 238 other people isn't exactly going to be thinking logically in the first place.

I agree - assuming it had been hijacked.

An elaborate plot

Skilled hijacker(s)

All was for a suicide in the middle of Indian Ocean - with no 'message', nor any followers' claim ??

Doesn't strike right to me

A crash landing in KL would have made some sense.

 

[Melburnian1]

Wasn't there an ex Qantas investigator earlier in the week pointing at the crew as the only plausible explanation? I can't find the link now.

This may be the article to which you refer:

Malaysia Airline's missing Flight MH370 flew for over an hour after losing contact | News.com.au

 

[Shorns]

Wow, this thread, along with a couple of others has really taken up a lot of my time this week.

I've resisted posting and adding to already stated theories and conjecture but I've been a bit irked by the common mention of the word "suicide". It is very, very uncommon for people who commit suicide to even contemplate hurting others, the 2 don't go hand in hand. Suicide attempt survivors often in fact report lucidity and clarity far greater than they've had for some time prior to and during the attempt, this makes some of the picture we now have difficult to reconcile. Murder/suicides (which if we're going to be technical is what we should be saying) are far rarer events and usually involve people known to the perpetrator, and normally again with what the perpetrator sees as "good reason" (jilted lover etc etc). Without evidence of the pilot/FO having a greivance against something (airline, chinese etc etc) it's really hard to reconcile this as an explanation. Consider that as many as a quarter of road deaths in regional areas are likely a result of suicide. These usually involve a single driver planting their car into a tree, not a bus full of random people.

Again, like any explanation of events, it is possible, but I think unlikely, and if we're going to refer to it then lets call it what is is and not simply "suicide".

 

[I hate Alan]

Something happened close to transition to cruise:

03:54AM 3.8187 102.1087 25° Northeast 440 814 25,600 1,380 FlightAware ADS-B (WMSA / SZB)
03:54AM 3.8740 102.1346 25° Northeast 448 830 26,200 1,260 FlightAware ADS-B (WMSA / SZB)
03:55AM 3.9316 102.1618 25° Northeast 454 840 26,900 1,380 FlightAware ADS-B (WMSA / SZB)
03:55AM 3.9968 102.1926 25° Northeast 458 848 27,700 1,320 FlightAware ADS-B (WMSA / SZB)
03:56AM 4.0740 102.2289 25° Northeast 465 861 28,600 1,320 FlightAware ADS-B (WMSA / SZB)
03:57AM 4.1430 102.2615 25° Northeast 469 869 29,400 1,260 FlightAware ADS-B (WMSA / SZB)
03:57AM 4.2042 102.2904 25° Northeast 472 874 30,000 1,200 FlightAware ADS-B (WMSA / SZB)
04:01AM 4.7015 102.5251 25° Northeast 468 867 35,000 960 FlightAware ADS-B (WMKP / PEN)
04:02AM 4.7073 102.5278 25° Northeast 468 867 35,000 FlightAware ADS-B (WMKP / PEN)
04:05AM 4.9706 102.6124 18° North Estimated

What are we supposed to be looking for? What's the second number after height , speed? Is it where it dropped off?

 

[markis10]

What are we supposed to be looking for? What's the second number after height , speed? Is it where it dropped off?

Thats using flightaware data that dropped off before flightradar24s, inconclusive/irrelevant more than likely given what we know now.