MH 777 missing - MH370 media statement

[marki]

MH370 on 60 minutes right now

 

[pauly7]

MH370 on 60 minutes right now

Wonder what drivel Channel 9 have come up with.... couldn’t pay me to watch 60 minutes so debrief us

 

[Himeno]

Wonder what drivel Channel 9 have come up with.... couldn’t pay me to watch 60 minutes so debrief us

Just another rehash of the Captain "murder-suicide mission" theory.
The MH370 pilot

 

[moa999]

Was more a - what if the pilot did a controlled descent after running out of fuel - adds another 80mi to range...

But probably multiplies the search area about 10 fold.. after all he could have turned (despite flying straight for the past six hours)

 

[juddles]

Just another rehash of the Captain "murder-suicide mission" theory.
The MH370 pilot

Forgive me, but it is the only theory that fits.

 

[Must...Fly!]

Forgive me, but it is the only theory that fits.

The only plausible theory that fits, I absolutely agree.

However. Whenever discussion of this theory comes around (and I did not watch 60 Minutes) but I never find there is much mention of the flight itself if this were the case.

Imagine what it would have been like on board, watching the change in direction on the IFE, sailing past Penang and in a completely different direction to what you expected. Imagine someone bringing it to the attention of an F/A, and unsuccessfully trying to get a hold of the tech crew. Panic surely set in at some point. Did passengers try to gain access in to the flight deck? It would be absolutely horrifying - you just know you're going to your death. Shudder. I hope the wreck is found soon.

 

[Quickstatus]

I wonder if the Malaysian MH370 narrative will change with the recent change of government?

IMO much is known about this mystery which has not been revealed.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

The only plausible theory that fits, I absolutely agree.

However. Whenever discussion of this theory comes around (and I did not watch 60 Minutes) but I never find there is much mention of the flight itself if this were the case.

Imagine what it would have been like on board, watching the change in direction on the IFE, sailing past Penang and in a completely different direction to what you expected. Imagine someone bringing it to the attention of an F/A, and unsuccessfully trying to get a hold of the tech crew. Panic surely set in at some point. Did passengers try to gain access in to the flight deck? It would be absolutely horrifying - you just know you're going to your death. Shudder. I hope the wreck is found soon.

If the passengers were awake. If the maps were on. 10 years ago when i flew MH I seem to recall they had air-to-ground satellite call capability from each seat - USD10 a minute or something. Do we know if that was still available? (and if yes, you'd think someone would have used that if they suspected anything). Maybe the person on the flight deck depressurised the aircraft.

 

[Must...Fly!]

If the passengers were awake. If the maps were on. 10 years ago when i flew MH I seem to recall they had air-to-ground satellite call capability from each seat - USD10 a minute or something. Do we know if that was still available? (and if yes, you'd think someone would have used that if they suspected anything). Maybe the person on the flight deck depressurised the aircraft.

AFAIK this can be turned off from the flight deck.

 

[jb747]

No new information at all. And wasn't there a Boeing analysis to the effect that the aircraft went in out of control. Just because a lot of mud has been thrown at the Captain, does not mean he is guilty. It is a theory, like everything else, based on thin air.

 

[kpc]

No new information at all. And wasn't there a Boeing analysis to the effect that the aircraft went in out of control. Just because a lot of mud has been thrown at the Captain, does not mean he is guilty. It is a theory, like everything else, based on thin air.

I'm sure you have posted it before, JB, as a pilot, do you have any (new) thoughts as to what might have happened 4 years later?

 

[jb747]

I'm sure you have posted it before, JB, as a pilot, do you have any (new) thoughts as to what might have happened 4 years later?

There is no new information. Nothing has changed.

 

[Quickstatus]

The rogue captain theory never explains what happened to FO - as though he was never there

 

[dajop]

Unless the wreckage found there is only one certainty : that the same information will be trotted out again and again at regular intervals by both individuals and media outlets ... for commercial gain. Feels like exploitation of a tragedy.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Unless the wreckage found there is only one certainty : that the same information will be trotted out again and again at regular intervals by both individuals and media outlets ... for commercial gain. Feels like exploitation of a tragedy.

Yes. But the media does give a voice to those who may not have one. Whatever anyone thinks of the 60 Minutes story last night, it was an opportunity to put some of the 'experts' on the spot and challenge their thinking.

Whatever the downsides, whatever the commercial gain, the media does have a positive side in holding people and institutions accountable, and sometimes getting to the truth.

 

[drron]

Well if the rogue Captain theory is correct something may come out before year's end.It was postulated that he was a supporter of Anwar Ibrahim who could be the PM some time this year.
Then again it may be buried deeper is some one high up in the new Government was involved.
Or the original rogue Captain theory was a false news affair pushed by the previous PM for political gain.In that case we may get evidence against the rogue captain theory.

 

[juddles]

No new information at all. And wasn't there a Boeing analysis to the effect that the aircraft went in out of control. Just because a lot of mud has been thrown at the Captain, does not mean he is guilty. It is a theory, like everything else, based on thin air.

jb747, first thing, yes, back when they found the flaperon or whatever it was, all the experts back then agreed after analysis that it proved an out-of-control descent. The 180 degree change in analysis as portrayed on the TV the other night just confuses me even more!

I agree that the captain has not been proven guilty, nor even remotely so. But that theory is compatible with what is known, and thus remains a valid theory. Even the "most likely" scenario.

But, I know from personal experience we people often get it wrong, and things are not always as they appear.

Many years ago when I was a crash investigator, I was called to the scene of a single-vehicle fatality in the countryside. A bloke has crashed his ute and died. Sole occupant. No witnesses. Even before I arrived at the scene everyone was talking about a "drink-driver". Sure enough when I got there, you could smell the beer even as approaching the car. Inside the cab reeked, and there were empty cans of xx_X all through the cab, and littered along the road mingled with the other crash debris. I recall EVERYONE at the scene was talking the same talk - "yet another drunk driver", the "inevitable consequences of drink-driving", etc etc etc.

But I had already learnt to start every investigation fresh, and never make the mistake of running with just one theory. I noticed that an empty can I picked up still had the seal intact - the side had burst, draining it. I then went and searched and managed to locate every single one of the 24 cans, and the fresh cardboard carton they had come in. All of the cans that were empty had ruptured, every seal was intact.

It became clear to me that the evidence showed that a full and unopened carton of beer was present in the vehicle before the crash, but there was no evidence of any alcohol consumption by the driver. Sure enough, a couple of weeks later when I got the toxicology results, they showed a zero BAC level.

In that crash I was not able to establish the precise reason the driver lost control. But at least I could prove to the family it was not "yet another drink-driver".

But no doubt all those people that arrived at the scene, and all the people they told about it, still believe that the driver was a reckless drunk.

 

[kelvedon]

Report on BBC that the ATSB think that the pilot may not have deliberately crashed the plane and was unconscious before impact.

MH370 'not brought down by rogue pilot'

 

[Quickstatus]

Unfortunately nothing new. But would have preferred ATSB say why it preferred one theory over another.

 

[jb747]

Blame the pilot is an easy answer. I does not address any potential MAS cargo loading or maintenance issues. Boeing don’t have to look for anything. It finds a carpet, and neatly sweeps everything under it!