Mexico and .....? Itinerary advice.

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Mexico is a new destination for us. Looking for ideas, advice, and first hand experience.

The only thing booked is the flights! Arrive DFW early Dec ..... depart JFK 5 weeks later.

Background - family holiday with kids aged 15+, we live a beach lifestyle so I'm not looking to replicate that on this trip. Want to see ruins, Mexico City, and some regional areas. We want to avoid locations that have been deemed - best avoided (see map).

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Given all of that - this is the plan. Fly from DFW to Leon, pick up hire car and drive to San Miguel de Allende;

5 nights San Miguel de Allende - will have hire car to explore surrounding area, drive to Mexico City and dump car;

5 nights Mexico City - one day allocated to see Teotihuacan ... pick up hire car and drive to Oaxaca/Puebla;

3 nights Oaxaca or Puebla - dump car and fly to Merida;

3 nights Merida - Hire car to see the local area, Chichen Itza and Uxmal. Drive to Punta Maroma;

4 nights Punta Maroma - see ruins of Tulum, Coba, EK Balam + enjoy the local area

Total = 20 nights. We will bookend the trip with 5 nights exploring San Antonio and Austin at the start ..... and 4 nights in NYC at the end.

This leaves 5 nights to fill - thinking about Cuba or Iguazu Falls ..... where would you go?
 
Hi Amaroo, we are going to Mexico in April '18, but not the areas you are going to. We sail out of Mazatlan on a 22 day cruise :D. But we have been to San Antonio and LOVED it. Bought my cowboy boots there. Love Texas fullstop. Been to Cuba and we can tell you what Iguaza is like when we get home in April ;). I think we will have to do dinner again.
 
I was underwhelmed with Chichen Itza and thought Uxmal was significantly better.

Guatemala, although not on your list, is definitely worth a look. I visited Lake Atitlan, Antigua and Tikal. Enjoyed them all. But i admit it was part of an Intrepid tour which is not what you are planning! ;)
 
We've only completed the Baja peninsula. Great fun. Great sunsets at that time of the year too - we were there in January. Fantastic leather products, piñata and tequila.

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From your map, it seems the whole country is "best avoided" - and that's my assessment too. Spent a lot of time in Canada and the stories that make the news about attacks on tourists in Mexico - even within the 'safe' confines of resort hotels would make your blood run cold, even with the discount for news sensationalism. Sorry for that unappealing start, but that's the way I see it.

I did however go to Cancun some years ago, to visit Chichen Itza (day trip) and the ruins and trip were good. Cancun very sandy, resort, sun and $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ so I got out of it quick.

But as you seem set up to go, I'd say think about a side trip to Belize (see current JohnM's trip report) and my own one on Belize here.

And do go to Iguacu falls. Easy to get to# and easy to see. And of course there is only one place to stay, and a place you'd be very familiar in - the Belmond

# Visa needed for Brazil (as in send away passport for a page stick-in) - a pain if its just a quick visit, but worth it when you get there :)
 
... forgot to add . Belmond at the falls of course a Virtuoso place. Booked via my TA, I got an upgraded room and a free airport transfer in a 'limo'. You can book day trips to the Argentine side very easily. I did that; afterwards, had a stop at the Sheraton there for a clean up and change, and then got dropped off at the airport on that side to fly on.
 
In Mexico I've just stayed at Cancun and did day trips to Chichen Itza, Coba and Tulum... Interesting...

And stopped in at Cozumel on a cruise stop once... But Mexico City is on the to do list, as for the rest of the country, yeah i would be hesitant to go too many places...

Have been to Iguassu Falls, did one day on the Brailian side and one day on the Argentinian side, pretty decent falls... But yes you will need a Brazilian visa and that is costly and takes a bit of time to get, Argentina does it better in that they just screw you over for a reciprocity fee but without all the passport/visa hassles...

Central America is on the to do list...
 
My experience is rather old but I must say I enjoyed our Chichen Itza experience (maybe enhanced by an excellent local educator). Thought that Cancun resort area was a long way to go get to a nice enough beach area in an otherwise ordinary spot. Seems that flogging silver jewellery is still a mainstay in Cancun tourist area
 
mrsdoctau and I on our last few days of four months in Central America, and spent a month in Mexico at the start. It's a different kind of trip, "screw jobs, lets go backpacking" rather than a family adventure, but hopefully some info may help.

Some parts of Mexico can be dangerous, but that's true everywhere, and if you're avoiding the "reconsider" areas and the border with the US, then it shouldn't be any different than most of the world. Take the usual precautions, watch out of the usual scams, etc. We heard from a number of people that you can encounter problems while driving, police wanting bribes, sometimes carjackings and so on, but no-one we encountered personally knew anyone who that had happened to - it was all friend of a friend stuff. I'm sure it does happen occasionally though.


The furthest north we were was Mexico City (aka District Federal/DF), where we flew in, so I can't offer any advice on the first part of your trip. Mexico City is a huge city, and surprisingly we like it. We don't normally find cities that large too enjoyable, but at least in the parts we were in, it was nice. We stayed in the Roma colonia, which has lots of nice restaurants and several craft beer places. Chapultepec forest and castle is near there, and quite interesting if you like that sort of thing.

Teotihuacan is definitely worth visiting. We went on a tour which included a trip to an obsidian workshop, who also sold mezcal produced nearby, and they were very generous with the tastings, so we were a bit tipsy climbing the pyramids. You haven't been allowed to climb one of the big two for a while, and our guide said that they were stopping people climbing the large one in March due to it being vandalised too much :(

The different regions of Mexico have different cultures and foods, and one thing we were told to try was "tacos al pastor", which uses shaved meat like schwarma or a diner kebab. El Huequito is a chain that does it quite well, but there are a million places which serve it, including many street stalls.


We skipped Puebla due to timing, but I've heard it's worth a visit.


We were in Oaxaca just before day of the dead, and unfortunately not there for it. Oaxaca is the home of the seven moles, so definitely try some of those while you are here. The Monte Alban ruins are near here, much smaller and less touristy than others. I like ruins so went, but not high on the list of ones to visit so can easily be cut from the list if you don't want to see them all. We did a cooking class in Oaxaca (La Cocina Oaxaqueña | Cooking Classes in Oaxaca, Mexico.) which was excellent. We spent time at the market in the morning, then a few hours cooking and eating.


We went to San Cristobal de las Casas (where we spent day of the dead) and Palenque. Some of the more indigenous towns near San Cristobal are quite interesting. The Palenque ruins are still half overrun by jungle, although a bit ruined by the people selling things, including those really annoying devices that make a sound kind of like a howler monkey. There isn't much else to do in Palenque. Oaxaca to Merida is a long trip if you don't have much to see on the way, so flying is probably a good plan.


Although there wasn't that much we did in Merida itself, it was very friendly and pleasant. We suffered due to the heat and humidity, with the average night being around 24 and day 35, and no air con in our room. Unfortunately we skipped Uxmal, which I have heard is a good set of ruins. Chichen Itza is definitely worth seeing, but overrun by tourists and hence the number of people lining the paths trying to sell you cough. There is a light show at night you can see (it costs extra), but it doesn't run on Mondays so we didn't get to see that.

We did a very long day trip from Mexico with a small group, going to two cenotes, Chichen Itza, and a brief stop at night in Valladolid. Valladolid looked quite nice, but needing to get to our flight to Cuba, we didn't return to visit during the day.


The ruins at Tulum aren't the best set of ruins, but being on the cliff tops makes them quite cool. The ones at Coba are scattered amongst trees, spread out quite a bit although you can hire bicycles or go on a bike taxi. The main pyramid is quite tall, you pass the tree line half way up. The view from the top, with the Yucatan forests stretching into the distance, but could be a difficult climb if you have problems that make that kind of thing hard. Definitely go see several centotes while you are on the Yucatan peninsula. There are thousands of them, so you'll have plenty to choose from. Dos Ojos is amazing, but I don't think you can get into the second eye unless you have at least an Open Water diving cert. The beaches along the whole Caribbean coast are amazing, we spent a lot of our time on those.


The Iguazu falls are amazing, but a long way out of the way from Mexico unless you're heading south anyway. If you do go there, I would recommend seeing both sides, and doing the Brazilian one first if you can. From the Brazilian side you get to see the wide overview, and from the Argentinean side the close up. As the locals say, "The Brazilians have the views, the Argetineans have the waterfalls".

Cuba was a very interesting place, both good and bad, but five nights may not be enough unless you are just quickly seeing the sights or staying on a beach and not experiencing much of what Cuba is. You could have two nights in Havana, go to somewhere not too far away for two nights, and then back to Havana or onward to somewhere like Varadero for a night, if you wanted to quickly see some places.


If you're heading further south along the coast, Belize is an option. More expensive than most of Central America, but that's probably less of an issue as it was for us. You could head out one of the Caye for a few days, and the snorkelling is amazing, but if you don't want much more beach time then it may not be worth it. We didn't spend much time on mainland Belize apart from San Ignacio near the border with Guatemala.


Going to Flores in Guatemala and the Tikal ruins may be another option, but it may take more time travelling overland than you are willing to spend with the limited remaining days at the end.
 
mrsdoctau and I on our last few days of four months in Central America, and spent a month in Mexico at the start. .

Perfect! Thank You for writing such a comprehensive response. I'll digest your post and probably come back with some questions - hope you don't mind.

First Q - did you hire a car to get around?

Sounds like a great trip - any chance of a trip report? Safe travels!
 
Perfect! Thank You for writing such a comprehensive response. I'll digest your post and probably come back with some questions - hope you don't mind.

First Q - did you hire a car to get around?

Sounds like a great trip - any chance of a trip report? Safe travels!

No problem, I expected questions :)

We didn't hire a car, in Mexico or elsewhere (although a couple of scooters for the day in places). There have been a couple of places where one may have been useful, but we made the decision not to before we started. For day trips, paying a taxi to drive you would quite possibly be cheaper - for example our taxi from Oaxaca to Matatlan (50km) to go to a mezcaleria was only 60 MXN a person each way.

I'm hoping to do a TR some time. We've been writing a bit of a blog, for our family to see what we've been up to, but it's way WAY behind. Eleven months into the trip, and our blog is 5.5 months done - we have notes though :) it's on http://sunsetutopia.com, but the last post is 6 weeks before we got to Mexico
 
No problem, I expected questions :)

We didn't hire a car, in Mexico or elsewhere (although a couple of scooters for the day in places). There have been a couple of places where one may have been useful, but we made the decision not to before we started. For day trips, paying a taxi to drive you would quite possibly be cheaper - for example our taxi from Oaxaca to Matatlan (50km) to go to a mezcaleria was only 60 MXN a person each way.

I'm hoping to do a TR some time. We've been writing a bit of a blog, for our family to see what we've been up to, but it's way WAY behind. Eleven months into the trip, and our blog is 5.5 months done - we have notes though :) it's on Latest Posts – Sunset Utopia, but the last post is 6 weeks before we got to Mexico

Cheers - I'll take a look and keep an eye out for updates.

How did you travel between MC > Oaxaca, and Merida > Tulum - fly?
 
I'd definitely recommend Cuba but 5 days would not scratch the surface! You'd want a few days in Havana, then I'd say drive to Cienfuegos and Trinidad and also Vinales in the opposite direction.
 
How did you travel between MC > Oaxaca, and Merida > Tulum - fly?

We took buses with ADO (www.ado.com.mx). The basic class is decent enough, and the GL-class buses are nicer with headsets for the movie audio, the seats recline further and so on. We took the normal buses if it was during the day, and the GL buses for the one night bus we had.

While you can check all the schedules, you unfortunately can't buy tickets online without a Mexican credit card. In most places the bus station is easy to get to, to purchase them in advance, and we never had problems just turning up on the day although there is obviously a risk of it being full. If you buy them more than 24 hours out, you get a 10-50% discount, depending on the route and time.

For Mexico City, the "TAPO" station is probably the most useful, unless you are staying somewhere further out from the centre. You can buy tickets from a place near the Zocalo (main square) - Location Change: Where To Buy Bus Tickets, Mexico City | Oaxaca Cultural Navigator : Norma Schafer has a description of where.


The buses felt quite safe, subject to the usual basic precautions. If you're sleeping on a night bus, have things with you rather than in the overhead area, and on day buses take them with you if you get off to buy a snack. I'm almost certain they put tags on the bags under the bus which you had to show the other half of to get them back from the handlers, but they're blurring together a bit so only 98% sure that happened Mexico not 100%.

Mexico City to Oaxaca was around 8 hours, and driving wouldn't be much faster. You can get a GL-class day bus for around $25 person, but once you have several people a hire car may be better. Obviously having a car means you can stop and see interesting things on the way too.

Oaxaca to Merida would be a very long bus trip - we had two stops on the way we wanted to visit. Straight through it's around 24 hours, so flying is probably the better choice.



EDIT: It's also worth pointing out that both mrsdoctau and I speak some Spanish. Definitely not fluent, but enough to get ourselves out of (or in to) minor trouble. We met plenty of people travelling who didn't speak any, but if you don't then YMMV for easy some things may be compared to us.
 
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Thanks everyone for contributing and sharing ideas and experiences.

After realising :oops: Iguazu Falls is around a 13hr trip from DFW ... even longer from CUN :shock: it was decided we'd leave that idea for another trip. Cuba? at the end of the day neither one of us have the urge, so we figure that can wait until we visit the Caribbean.

End result is that we have cut a few days out of Mexico (Oaxaca) and added Guatemala and Belize. We've been very lucky with timing and have landed right on the juncture of "off Peak" and "Holiday Peak" for the two Central America countries - basically a 50% discount .... one day later and it's full freight :D

So, after a few nights in Dallas and San Antonio....

3 nights Punta Maroma - Tulum, Coba EK Balam + beach time.

fly to Guatemala via Belize

3 nights Lake Paten Itza (Guatemala) - Tikal, Uxacutun

3 nights Blancaneaux (Belize) - Caracol, ATM

3 nights Placencia - (Belize) - chill-out

fly to Merida

2 nights Merida - Chichen Itza, Uxmal, Celeste (pink flamingos)

2 nights Campeche - Walled City, Edzna

fly to Mexico City

5 nights MC

5 nights San Miguel de Allende

Finished off with 4 nights in New York.






 
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A great itinerary - when are you going?

Also, beware of the US influence on food in Mexico. I ordered the house special at a beach cafe in Mexico - beautiful fresh fish and prawns smothered in Kraft cheese sauce :D
 
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For Tikal, you will have the option of doing a tour *very* early to see the sunrise. It costs more to enter the park for that, since it's before the standard opening time.

I learned the hard way that you should check the time of year before going on a sunrise tour, since for 75% of the year it's too foggy to see the sunrise, and the only advantage left is hearing some howler monkeys wake up. You'll probably be there a few weeks after the time of year I was, so there is a fair chance that it would be for you too. Going early is still probably a good idea, to avoid the heat (and some of the crowds) but skipping sunrise would save you money and a 2am departure from Flores/Santa Elena.
 
mrsdoctau and I on our last few days of four months in Central America, and spent a month in Mexico at the start. It's a different kind of trip, "screw jobs, lets go backpacking" rather than a family adventure, but hopefully some info may help.

Some parts of Mexico can be dangerous, but that's true everywhere, and if you're avoiding the "reconsider" areas and the border with the US, then it shouldn't be any different than most of the world. Take the usual precautions, watch out of the usual scams, etc. We heard from a number of people that you can encounter problems while driving, police wanting bribes, sometimes carjackings and so on, but no-one we encountered personally knew anyone who that had happened to - it was all friend of a friend stuff. I'm sure it does happen occasionally though.


The furthest north we were was Mexico City (aka District Federal/DF), where we flew in, so I can't offer any advice on the first part of your trip. Mexico City is a huge city, and surprisingly we like it. We don't normally find cities that large too enjoyable, but at least in the parts we were in, it was nice. We stayed in the Roma colonia, which has lots of nice restaurants and several craft beer places. Chapultepec forest and castle is near there, and quite interesting if you like that sort of thing.

Teotihuacan is definitely worth visiting. We went on a tour which included a trip to an obsidian workshop, who also sold mezcal produced nearby, and they were very generous with the tastings, so we were a bit tipsy climbing the pyramids. You haven't been allowed to climb one of the big two for a while, and our guide said that they were stopping people climbing the large one in March due to it being vandalised too much :(

The different regions of Mexico have different cultures and foods, and one thing we were told to try was "tacos al pastor", which uses shaved meat like schwarma or a diner kebab. El Huequito is a chain that does it quite well, but there are a million places which serve it, including many street stalls.


We skipped Puebla due to timing, but I've heard it's worth a visit.


We were in Oaxaca just before day of the dead, and unfortunately not there for it. Oaxaca is the home of the seven moles, so definitely try some of those while you are here. The Monte Alban ruins are near here, much smaller and less touristy than others. I like ruins so went, but not high on the list of ones to visit so can easily be cut from the list if you don't want to see them all. We did a cooking class in Oaxaca (La Cocina Oaxaqueña | Cooking Classes in Oaxaca, Mexico.) which was excellent. We spent time at the market in the morning, then a few hours cooking and eating.


We went to San Cristobal de las Casas (where we spent day of the dead) and Palenque. Some of the more indigenous towns near San Cristobal are quite interesting. The Palenque ruins are still half overrun by jungle, although a bit ruined by the people selling things, including those really annoying devices that make a sound kind of like a howler monkey. There isn't much else to do in Palenque. Oaxaca to Merida is a long trip if you don't have much to see on the way, so flying is probably a good plan.


Although there wasn't that much we did in Merida itself, it was very friendly and pleasant. We suffered due to the heat and humidity, with the average night being around 24 and day 35, and no air con in our room. Unfortunately we skipped Uxmal, which I have heard is a good set of ruins. Chichen Itza is definitely worth seeing, but overrun by tourists and hence the number of people lining the paths trying to sell you cough. There is a light show at night you can see (it costs extra), but it doesn't run on Mondays so we didn't get to see that.

We did a very long day trip from Mexico with a small group, going to two cenotes, Chichen Itza, and a brief stop at night in Valladolid. Valladolid looked quite nice, but needing to get to our flight to Cuba, we didn't return to visit during the day.


The ruins at Tulum aren't the best set of ruins, but being on the cliff tops makes them quite cool. The ones at Coba are scattered amongst trees, spread out quite a bit although you can hire bicycles or go on a bike taxi. The main pyramid is quite tall, you pass the tree line half way up. The view from the top, with the Yucatan forests stretching into the distance, but could be a difficult climb if you have problems that make that kind of thing hard. Definitely go see several centotes while you are on the Yucatan peninsula. There are thousands of them, so you'll have plenty to choose from. Dos Ojos is amazing, but I don't think you can get into the second eye unless you have at least an Open Water diving cert. The beaches along the whole Caribbean coast are amazing, we spent a lot of our time on those.


The Iguazu falls are amazing, but a long way out of the way from Mexico unless you're heading south anyway. If you do go there, I would recommend seeing both sides, and doing the Brazilian one first if you can. From the Brazilian side you get to see the wide overview, and from the Argentinean side the close up. As the locals say, "The Brazilians have the views, the Argetineans have the waterfalls".

Cuba was a very interesting place, both good and bad, but five nights may not be enough unless you are just quickly seeing the sights or staying on a beach and not experiencing much of what Cuba is. You could have two nights in Havana, go to somewhere not too far away for two nights, and then back to Havana or onward to somewhere like Varadero for a night, if you wanted to quickly see some places.


If you're heading further south along the coast, Belize is an option. More expensive than most of Central America, but that's probably less of an issue as it was for us. You could head out one of the Caye for a few days, and the snorkelling is amazing, but if you don't want much more beach time then it may not be worth it. We didn't spend much time on mainland Belize apart from San Ignacio near the border with Guatemala.


Going to Flores in Guatemala and the Tikal ruins may be another option, but it may take more time travelling overland than you are willing to spend with the limited remaining days at the end.


Similar to us and agree with most of the comments.

We had 14 days in mexico on our honeymoon in Dec 2004.

- 5 in zihuatanejo
- 3 in mexcio city (wish we had a couple more) - teotihuacan definitely a must do - hard going climbing to the top at the altitude - we really notice the difference once we got to Merida and did Uxmal!), the history museum was amazing too (and air-conditioned!)
- 2 in merida (Uxmal were great ruins to visit - we almost preferred them to Chichen Itza)
- 1 day driving (bus) Merida - CI (had about 6 hours there) - Cancun (then on to Playa del Carmen - got there abut 10pm!)
- 3 in Playa Del Carmen


We went back to Cancun on our way to Cuba in Sept 2008.
- Cancun is pointless (but cheap for what it is) - go to somewhere else or stay in Australia or SE Asia and go to a resort there if resort/beach what you want. it's not really Mexico, its really an American stereotype of Mexico!
- Playa del Carmen had REALLY developed in between ou visits (we did a day trip to check it out whilst waiting for flights to cuba to reopen - the outdoor pedestrian mall with local stores was now plagued with gloabl chains (Benetton etc!)
- Cuba is amazing and 5 days aren't enough - we had 6 (lost effectively 2 due to cyclone delaying our arrival - hence the stop in Cancun!). We managed 2 days in Havana, then a tour that took in Cienfuegos, Trinidad, Sancti Spiritis and Santa Clara (Che Guevara mausoleum).

Happy to expand further if it helps.
 
Just chiming in with one further suggestion I don't think has been made in the comments - Guanajuato, which you could cover in a da and a night out of Mexico City, and is truly a beautiful town to explore on foot. If you make it there don't miss the mummy museum, one of the strangest places I've seen!
 
If you haven't read it, Jared Diamond's 'Collapse' is an excellent background for the Mayan demise - amongst others, notably Easter Island.
 
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