Luxury Link in Liquidation

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Good afternoon everyone
I booked a hotel through Luxury Link who have just gone into liquidation, it was more than 90 days ago and therefore there is no chargeback on our NAB Platinum Amex Card.
I have contacted the insurer of this card QBE, and it doesn’t look promising to obtain a refund there either.
I have also contact Travel Insurance Direct, who advised that this is not covered.
Is there any other option open to me, or is there a card or insurance that will cover this type of loss, or is it a case of do not purchase prior to 90 days before you require the booking?
Any advise would be helpful
Memphis
 
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I would lodge the dispute with NAB regardless of the time. The only issue may be that you might not be able to lodge until after your actual booking date.

Unlike Visa or MC, Amex chargebacks relate to a transaction date relative to date of provision or intended provision of service, not just the date your transaction was processed.

You may have to push NAB and insist, but you have nothing much to lose, as other avenues are probably closed. Amex timeframes are more like 180 days, not just 90 - and relate to the service date. NAB may not want to bother, but you can only ask.

There is very little protection available against insolvency of operators with respect to pre-paid bookings. Insurance not generally available. The best protection I have found is using a direct issue Amex - where there is then no issue of a bank "policy" getting in the way. How good this is, I have never had to test, but am not sure how it would go put to the ultimate test - as Amex would end up wearing the cost as acquirer if the merchant is insolvent, so may not be keen to process the chargeback.

As you used an Amex (albeit bank issued) all is not totally lost yet - the "scheme" rules should leave you with a chance, just a matter of getting NAB to invoke.

I would lodge the dispute, regardless of what NAB say about 90 days. If they don't follow it through to Amex, you always have the option of then taking it further with the Financial Ombudsman.
 
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Contact the liquidator and lodge a document called 'proof of debt'. In several years time you may get 5 cents back - but maybe you will get a bit more than that, you never know. It will depend on how many assets they have and how many other debts.
 
Contact the liquidator and lodge a document called 'proof of debt'. In several years time you may get 5 cents back - but maybe you will get a bit more than that, you never know. It will depend on how many assets they have and how many other debts.

Anna is absolutely right. The process before you get to a proof of debt is set out by NAB below but more than likely after you go through those steps you will be left with lodging a proof of debt (PoD) !!

16.3 Chargeback rightsEach credit card scheme (Visa, MasterCard®, AmericanExpress) has a dispute resolution process that iscontained in the operating rules of the credit cardscheme. This process sets out specific circumstancesand timeframes in which a member of the scheme(e.g. a bank) can claim a refund in connection witha disputed transaction on a cardholder’s behalf.This is referred to as a ‘chargeback right’.NAB’s ability to investigate any disputed transactionon your account, and subsequently process achargeback is restricted by the time limits imposedunder the operating rules of the applicable creditcard scheme.16.4 Timeframes for notifying NAB The ability of NAB to dispute a transaction on yourbehalf (where a chargeback right exists) may belost if you do not notify NAB within the requiredtimeframes. For this reason, it is in your interest to report anydisputed transaction to NAB immediately andcertainly no later than the due date shown on thestatement of account. Where it can be shown that you have unreasonablydelayed notifying NAB, you may be liable for the losson any disputed transaction.16.5 Timeframes for NAB to process a chargeback rightNAB will only process a chargeback for you (where achargeback right exists) when you have notified NABof the disputed transaction within the required timeframe, as described in 16.4.The timeframes for NAB to process a chargeback(where a chargeback right exists) vary between 30days and 120 days depending on the credit cardscheme and the type of disputed transaction.35NAB will not accept a refusal of a chargeback by amerchant’s financial institution unless it is consistentwith the relevant credit card scheme rules.

Some banks also specifically exclude claims when a business goes into external administration probably because the administrator (if a liquidator) has the right to refuse to honour any further obligations after their appointment.

I would suggest its an insurance matter and if there is no coverage you are back to your PoD.
 
Anna is absolutely right. The process before you get to a proof of debt is set out by NAB below but more than likely after you go through those steps you will be left with lodging a proof of debt (PoD)

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Some banks also specifically exclude claims when a business goes into external administration probably because the administrator (if a liquidator) has the right to refuse to honour any further obligations after their appointment.

Don't forget that this is not an Australian company - so the process may be a little different. In any event, the extent of the return, and timeframe are likely to be of little use.

Banks excluding or attempting to exclude claims are doing so because they may be liable. The ability of an administrator or liquidator to refuse to honour obligations is irrelevant here.

There are multiple parties involved, all with a variety of rights against each other. Ignoring the possibility for any given party to wear multiple hats, and ignoring additional intermediaries, in a credit card transaction there are likely to be 5 parties involved.

1. The cardholder. They have a relationship with the institution which issued the card, whereby they are liable to make payments to that institution for items charged to the card. They also have a relationship with the merchant, who provides goods or services to the cardholder, in exchange for the ability to collect payment from the financial institution which provides their merchant facilities (the acquiring institution).

2. The card issuing institution. Has a relationship with the cardholder, who has an obligation to make payments for transactions charged to the card. Has a relationship with a card scheme provider (e.g. Visa, MasterCard, American Express). which allows for them to issue cards branded with the scheme. The card issuing institution is liable to the scheme to make payment for transactions authorised on cards issued by it, and has rights regarding chargebacks etc., governed by the scheme rules. The card issuing institution may (and probably does not) have any relationship with the merchant acquiring institution, or with the merchant.

3. The card scheme provider. Administers the scheme according to the rules. Has relationships with the card issuing institutions, and the merchant acquiring institutions, with rights to and obligations to make and demand payments. May have no relationship with the card holder or the merchant.

4. The merchant acquiring institution. Has a relationship with the merchant, whereby they offer a facility which allows the merchant to make charges to cards, and they make payments to the merchant (in return for fees). Also has relationship with the card scheme provider, which allows the merchant acquiring institution to pass the charges on, and collect payment from the scheme provider. The merchant acquiring institution may not have any relationship with the card issuing institution, or the cardholder.

5. The merchant. Has a relationship with the cardholder, whereby they charge the card in return for services provided. Also has a relationship with the merchant acquiring institution whereby they can charge a card belonging to a card scheme provider associated with merchant acquirer, and receive a payment in return.

One of the important things to note, is that the cardholder and the merchant have a relationship with each other (which gives rise to the PoD or foreign equivalent rights) but also each have a relationship with respectively a card issuing and merchant acquiring institution - which gives rise to different rights.

A merchant acquiring institution typically conducts significant credit checks against a merchant - as that institution is taking on a credit risk, as it typically has a contractual obligation to make payments back to the card scheme provider for amounts that may have been charged by the merchant through the facility, but have to be returned under the scheme rules - such as chargebacks. This obligation is not dependent on that institution being able to recover the funds - hence they have a credit risk.

In this situation, where the cardholder potentially has access to the merchant directly (likely to be little joy if insolvent), and via their card issuer, to the scheme rules, and ultimately ending up with the merchant acquiring institution (which will have funds), acting on the route where there is likely to be money should be the first priority. It is not really important to the cardholder if they get the money back effectively from the merchant acquiring institution, which then ends up with the issue of attempting to collect in an administration or liquidation - they have their money, without the hassle of having to deal individually.

Some institutions may try to limit recourse, especially where they have significant exposure as acquiring institutions themselves - as it is the card acquiring institutions that will end up as the debtor of the merchant for chargebacks that end up processed according to the scheme rules. Depending on the arrangements upon which they provided the facility, they may be unsecured, or they may have security of some sort. It will come down to the actual contractual arrangements between the cardholder and the issuing institution, but most issuing institutions would have some obligation to process disputes in line with the scheme rules (imposed by their contractual relationships with the card scheme provider). You may find that suggestions that you should approach the merchant directly are just suggestions, and that if you push hard, they will reluctantly accept the dispute.

Depending on the scheme, and particular arrangement, the one institution may be in multiple roles. The least number of institutions could be only 1 - as in the case of a direct issued Amex card, where Amex is the issuer, scheme provider and acquirer, or there could be even more institutions, where intermediaries sit between issuers / acquirers and schemes. In this case in point, there are likely only two institutions involved - NAB as card issuer, and Amex as scheme provider and merchant acquirer (Amex is the only acquirer for Amex merchant facilities as far as I know).

Whilst the NAB conditions stated do refer to statement due date, the wording also refers explicitly to scheme rules, and to notifying as soon as possible - and in the case of only becoming aware of a provider not delivering a service, that as soon as possible may be very different to the case for a transaction to be disputed for other reasons. In the place of the OP, I would certainly press as hard as possible to lodge a dispute with NAB, even if they claim you are out of time, as it is probably the most likely way of seeing any money back.
 
I presume you are saying that your booking at the hotel has been cancelled by Luxury Link or whichever third party agent they place their bookings through, is that correct? If Luxury Link has already passed on payment to the hotel then the liquidation is of no consequence to you. Maybe check with the hotel to see if your booking has been confirmed or if it has been cancelled. If it's been cancelled then you've done your $$.

In January I booked a hotel in Canada through Vivastay for the start of May but when we arrived the hotel told us that Vivastay had gone bust and our booking had been cancelled in March - pity no one bothered to tell us beforehand. Bottom line was that we had to pay again. Annoying but that's life!
 
WOW, great advise from everyone, thank you so much it is appreciated.
It was just what I needed, a boost to get things moving. I contacted Amex first who advised that they recently changed the rules and now have a five year chargeback and although this company went into liquidation they would certainly look at the case.
I have contacted NAB and requested that they re-access my claim, and have had no response (this was only yesterday afternoon).

I was a little down yesterday, but these posts gave me a pick up with some great response... again thank you everyone
 
WOW, great advise from everyone, thank you so much it is appreciated.
It was just what I needed, a boost to get things moving. I contacted Amex first who advised that they recently changed the rules and now have a five year chargeback and although this company went into liquidation they would certainly look at the case.

I have contacted NAB and requested that they re-access my claim, and have had no response (this was only yesterday afternoon).

I was a little down yesterday, but these posts gave me a pick up with some great response... again thank you everyone

That sounds more promising. Which hotel or destination were you travelling to?

In the meantime I would call the hotel and ask if they still have your booking or was it automatically cancelled when LL went into receivership?

If they are still holding the reservation are they offering a special rate for affected guests who had booked through LL? It's in their interests to look after you otherwise they might lose your business altogether.

I would call the property via Skype and ask for the name and email of the General Manager and either speak to or email them to find out where you stand with your reservation etc assuming you still want to go ahead and stay there.

I have used Luxury Link previously for a stay in Antigua a couple of years ago so it's sad to hear about what's happened.

There's a thread on FlyerTalk, Boarding Area & Forbes about it:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/luxu...s-canceled-thread-re-opened.html#post24846305

http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea...customers-paid-for-hotels-may-be-out-of-luck/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/douggol...ite-luxury-link-may-have-ceased-operations/3/
 
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