Lounge Access mixed class ticket

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I am looking at booking Manchester to Sydney with AA. The flights will be BA from Manchester in Economy (only class on that route) then First Class from Heathrow via Dubai with Qantas.

Just wondering if we got Lounge Access at Manchester, I can't seem to find an answer on the BA, Qantas, AA or One World websites.

I am not a Qantas Club or Admirals Club member and have only bronze status with Qantas and no status with AA or BA.

Would be grateful for any help ....

 

[scwappy]

If you have a long haul connection on same ticket i think you should per the lounge access rules on the one world website

 

[Danger]

http://www.australianfrequentflyer....-questions/lounge-access-help-desk-59405.html

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I am looking at booking Manchester to Sydney with AA. The flights will be BA from Manchester in Economy (only class on that route) then First Class from Heathrow via Dubai with Qantas.

Just wondering if we got Lounge Access at Manchester, I can't seem to find an answer on the BA, Qantas, AA or One World websites.

I am not a Qantas Club or Admirals Club member and have only bronze status with Qantas and no status with AA or BA.

Would be grateful for any help ....

Short haul BA economy connecting same day to long haul premium will get you lounge access at the point of origin (MAN).

This is outside OneWorld rules, and is a BA specific rule (although the rule is shared by some other airlines such as Qantas which allows Qantas Club access for economy pax connecting to long haul business or First class)

 

[Kangol]

Short haul BA economy connecting same day to long haul premium will get you lounge access at the point of origin (MAN).

This is outside OneWorld rules, and is a BA specific rule (although the rule is shared by some other airlines such as Qantas which allows Qantas Club access for economy pax connecting to long haul business or First class)

See here for oneworld rules (underlined):

https://www.oneworld.com/ffp/lounge-access/

oneworld lounge access for First Class or Business Class customers

Indulge yourself before departure in a wider range of airport lounges when you fly First Class or Business Class with any oneworld member airline.

• Customers flying First or Business Class have access to the equivalent class of lounge regardless of their frequent flyer status. First Class passengers may use a Business Class or frequent flyer lounge if a First Class lounge is not available.
• First Class passengers may invite one guest to join them in the lounge. The guest must also be travelling on a flight operated and marketed by a oneworld airline.
• Connecting between oneworld marketed and operated flights:
  • First and Business Class customers connecting on the same day of travel, or before 6am the following day, can access the lounge when travelling between an international long haul (a oneworld international long haul flight is defined as an international flight marketed and operated by any oneworld carrier with a scheduled flight time longer than 5 hours) and an international short haul or domestic flight (and vice-versa).
  • Lounge access will be determined on the international long haul ticketed flight (either First of Business Class) regardless of the ticketed class of travel on the international short haul or domestic flight.
  • You must be prepared to show your boarding pass or itinerary showing travel in First or Business class on the international long haul flight, in order to access the lounge before your international short haul or domestic flight.

To the OP, the answer is yes to lounge access in Manchester, as per OW rules.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

See here for oneworld rules (underlined):

https://www.oneworld.com/ffp/lounge-access/



To the OP, the answer is yes to lounge access in Manchester, as per OW rules.

The one world rules deal with connecting flights at the point or transfer - specifically the words 'travelling between' and international long haul and short haul flight.

The OP is asking whether they will have access at point of origin, not at the connecting point. In this case, access is allowed, but it is a BA specific rule, not a OW rule.

 

[Kangol]

The one world rules deal with connecting flights at the point or transfer - specifically the words 'travelling between' and international long haul and short haul flight.

The OP is asking whether they will have access at point of origin, not at the connecting point. In this case, access is allowed, but it is a BA specific rule, not a OW rule.

Ah I did overlook that, however the last point says:

You must be prepared to show your boarding pass or itinerary showing travel in First or Business class on the international long haul flight, in order to access the lounge before your international short haul or domestic flight.

So if you have a domestic flight before your international long haul flight, and want to access the lounge before your domestic flight, then technically at that point in time it is not between flights, but as per that last line above, you are allowed access. That disproves your "point of transfer" theory and is the kicker.


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One reasonable interpretation of "between" is that your itinerary involves connecting from one OW (operated and marketed) flight to another, as opposed to only one leg being OW operated and marketed (and the other being not OW at all, or only OW operated and not marketed or OW marketed and not operated).

ie. see (only the) bold for emphasis.

First and Business Class customers connecting on the same day of travel, or before 6am the following day, can access the lounge when travelling between an international long haul and an international short haul or domestic flight (and vice-versa).

So it doesn't explicitly say you can access it before the short haul/domestic leg [and it doesn't say you can't] but it describes a situation where you can.

This may be a moot point in this particular situation, but for anyone else reading the thread on a later date in a similar situation, this is of value.

My guess is that this is in place for those connecting from domestic J/F to international Y/Y+, because by these OW rules, you can't access the lounge before the international Y/Y+ leg due to COS. Or for segments where J/F is not offered (ie the OP's example).

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Ah I did overlook that, however the last point says:

You must be prepared to show your boarding pass or itinerary showing travel in First or Business class on the international long haul flight, in order to access the lounge before your international short haul or domestic flight.

So if you have a domestic flight before your international long haul flight, and want to access the lounge before your domestic flight, then technically at that point in time it is not between flights, but as per that last line above, you are allowed access. That disproves your "point of transfer" theory and is the kicker.


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yes - so you've arrived international long-haul First class, and you are waiting for your connection to MAN in economy class.

You show your long haul first class boarding pass as proof of eligibility to enter the lounge before your connection to the short haul (ie you are between flights).

While I can see how the argument might be made out that it potentially allows access before an originating short haul flight, the question is a frequent one... a passenger might be flying SIN-HKG paid economy class, connecting to an award ticket, First class to the USA. The passenger does not have lounge access in SIN prior to their economy class flight even though they are flying later the same day in First class.

 

[Kangol]

While I can see how the argument might be made out that it potentially allows access before an originating short haul flight, the question is a frequent one... a passenger might be flying SIN-HKG paid economy class, connecting to an award ticket, First class to the USA. The passenger does not have lounge access in SIN prior to their economy class flight even though they are flying later the same day in First class.

What does "and vice-versa" mean?
It appears that you have either overlooked that part or chosen to ignore it.

 

[Princess Fiona]

The OP has access to the lounge at MAN

 

[MEL_Traveller]

What does "and vice-versa" mean?
It appears that you have either overlooked that part or chosen to ignore it.

The vice-versa would mean, in this case, connecting between an international/domestic short-haul and international long-haul. In which case the international long-haul applies anyway.

'Vice-versa' can't be discussing lounge access at the point of origin, only the connection long-haul->short-haul or [vice versa] short-haul ->long-haul.

Why they exactly include that wording I don't know, but maybe to avoid any confusion that you couldn't otherwise access the lounge at the connecting point if connecting from short-haul to long-haul.

 

[Kangol]

The vice-versa would mean, in this case, connecting between an international/domestic short-haul and international long-haul. In which case the international long-haul applies anyway.

The OW website says that [in this case] you can access the lounge before your domestic/short haul flight (the first of two flights).
It doesn't say that you cannot access it.
This is evidence to disprove your theory.
Your interpretation does not agree with mine, which is fine, but it would not be good for the community for misinformation to be acknowledged as truth.
I haven't looked, but I would gather that there are others interpreting the OW rules in a similar fashion to my interpretation.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

i am happy to be wrong on this!

I just have reservations that an economy passenger SIN-HKG can use the Qantas lounge when their next onward flight in a premium cabin is only ex HKG.