Jetstar first 787-8 dreamliner in new livery

[pauly7]

Re: Jet Star 787 - Looks pretty good!

More guessing than rumours - based on trying to rationilise the Qantas fleet strategy based on what has been confirmed. There are no confirmed 787s coming with Kangaroos on them. The 789-9s would come after the 767s are currently scheduled to retire. Also, if Jetstar are going to be flying 787s on domestic routes for a couple of months, they're going to need to have terminals set up for them somewhere.

QF must be very organised/ fwd thinking then getting QF only terminals painted up so early

 

[reductionist]

Re: Jet Star 787 - Looks pretty good!

Nearly everyone I've spoken to about this outside of AFF seems to be of the opinion that there's something very wrong about QF getting JQ's hand-me-downs.

I don't know enough about the situation to reply with anything meaningful, so I just nod and smile.

Deep down I think I kind of agree with them.

 

[moa999]

Re: Jet Star 787 - Looks pretty good!

In truth I believe the A330s were originally for QF, they just got diverted when the Dreamliners kept getting delayed.

In any event they are still relatively new planes, and will hopefully have a brand new seating product.

 

[mannej]

Re: Jet Star 787 - Looks pretty good!

In truth I believe the A330s were originally for QF, they just got diverted when the Dreamliners kept getting delayed.

In any event they are still relatively new planes, and will hopefully have a brand new seating product.

A fair few of them did spend time with QF originally before being shipped out to JQ.

 

[basso]

Re: Jet Star 787 - Looks pretty good!

QF must be very organised/ fwd thinking then getting QF only terminals painted up so early

Which QF only terminals?

 

[basso]

Re: Jet Star 787 - Looks pretty good!

Nearly everyone I've spoken to about this outside of AFF seems to be of the opinion that there's something very wrong about QF getting JQ's hand-me-downs.

Pretty sure that everyone within AFF agrees with the opinion as well!

 

[Programme]

Re: Jet Star 787 - Looks pretty good!

Nearly everyone I've spoken to about this outside of AFF seems to be of the opinion that there's something very wrong about QF getting JQ's hand-me-downs.

Agreed. Qantas is supposed to be the premium brand, so if I was being paid the big bucks to make these decisions, QF would be getting the new 787s and the older 767s or A330s would be bumped down to JQ. Jetstar is supposed to compete on price, their target market shouldn't care much if it is a 767, A330 or 787 ferrying them around as long as they're getting their $29 (+ extras) fare.

I know the A330s were originally QF planes sent to JQ because of the 787 delays, but that was such a long time ago now that it isn't relevant.

 

[mannej]

Re: Jet Star 787 - Looks pretty good!

Agreed. Qantas is supposed to be the premium brand, so if I was being paid the big bucks to make these decisions, QF would be getting the new 787s and the older 767s or A330s would be bumped down to JQ. Jetstar is supposed to compete on price, their target market shouldn't care much if it is a 767, A330 or 787 ferrying them around as long as they're getting their $29 (+ extras) fare.

I know the A330s were originally QF planes sent to JQ because of the 787 delays, but that was such a long time ago now that it isn't relevant.

You are forgetting the bean counters though. They want the cheapest operating costs (aircraft wise) so they can have the $29 fares and so on...

Hence why the 787's are going to JQ first. Also saying that, there are some very young 330's in JQ colours atm.

 

[Programme]

Re: Jet Star 787 - Looks pretty good!

You are forgetting the bean counters though. They want the cheapest operating costs (aircraft wise) so they can have the $29 fares and so on...

...but the total costs are the same operating both an A330 and a 787 at the same time, irrespective of whether whether they would be wearing JQ or QF colours. It depends on whether one is looking at costs for the Qantas Group, or QF and JQ individually.

 

[JohnK]

Re: Jet Star 787 - Looks pretty good!

You are forgetting the bean counters though. They want the cheapest operating costs (aircraft wise) so they can have the $29 fares and so on...

So the solution is to give those people paying $29 for their airfares the opportuninty to sit in new aircraft while those paying a premium sit in hand me downs.

Makes perfect business sense.

 

[mannej]

Re: Jet Star 787 - Looks pretty good!

So the solution is to give those people paying $29 for their airfares the opportuninty to sit in new aircraft while those paying a premium sit in hand me downs.

Makes perfect business sense.

Apart from scoot, how many LCC have hand me down aircraft?

I agree that the 787's may be the flashy toys of the fleet, but I think your logic may be a bit narrow here. The business model of most LCC's is to aim for lowest operating costs, hence the new aircraft, obscure airports etc.
I agree that part of the 330 product isn't really up to scratch currently, but they are due a refit which hopefully will bring consistency and a newer product amongst the 330 fleet. In saying that the newest 330 domestic offering is a very good product IMO, it's the J product that lets it down.

 

[danny09]

Re: Jet Star 787 - Looks pretty good!

So the solution is to give those people paying $29 for their airfares the opportuninty to sit in new aircraft while those paying a premium sit in hand me downs.

Makes perfect business sense.

My thoughts exactly. Never flown JQ in my life and unfortunetly them
Having a 787 wont change that.

 

[DaveB]

Re: Jet Star 787 - Looks pretty good!

So the solution is to give those people paying $29 for their airfares the opportuninty to sit in new aircraft while those paying a premium sit in hand me downs.

Makes perfect business sense.

Ouch. The truth always hurts though.
Prior to establishing my own company 13 years ago and sick of the corporate life, I spent just over a year as a management consultant in the transport sector, mainly air and rail.
My only comment is we give management far too much credibility.

 

[pauly7]

Re: Jet Star 787 - Looks pretty good!

Nearly everyone I've spoken to about this outside of AFF seems to be of the opinion that there's something very wrong about QF getting JQ's hand-me-downs.

I don't know enough about the situation to reply with anything meaningful, so I just nod and smile.

Deep down I think I kind of agree with them.

Agree with the general sentiment but personally given they will all be gutted, new IFE etc installed I don't really mind!

 

[amaroo]

Re: Jet Star 787 - Looks pretty good!

Screw the JQ haters, I can't wait to try it

It's like saying I won't down grade from my Holden to sit in a Ford.....Geez, it's public transport that gets you from point A to B.......LOL

 

[stewiejp]

Re: Jet Star 787 - Looks pretty good!

Got to agree it's odd that JQ get the new toys, especially when you look at the pricing difference - but not surprising since the "group" has put so much focus on Jetstar lately. Taking over some/a lot of Asian routes (as predicated by a travel industry mate of mine some years ago on a forum similar to this where he was laughed at), a lot more advertising, why not new planes? If the two airlines weren't related though we wouldn't be having this discussion. Maybe JQ is making more $ than QF so they get the new planes first?

Having said that we have noticed of late flying domestically we are better off (simply in terms of dollars spent) flying Qantas, especially when we can't be too flexible with our dates. Then consider baggage, points/SC's and flying a "better" airline QF flights look a hell of a lot better, so we have gone with them.

 

[RooFlyer]

Re: Jet Star 787 - Looks pretty good!

Apart from scoot, how many LCC have hand me down aircraft?

I agree that the 787's may be the flashy toys of the fleet, but I think your logic may be a bit narrow here. The business model of most LCC's is to aim for lowest operating costs, hence the new aircraft, obscure airports etc.
I agree that part of the 330 product isn't really up to scratch currently, but they are due a refit which hopefully will bring consistency and a newer product amongst the 330 fleet. In saying that the newest 330 domestic offering is a very good product IMO, it's the J product that lets it down.

Isn't it the objective of ALL airlines to have if not THE lowest, then 'low operating costs'? If the 787s went to QF, it would improve their margins by probably a bigger % than it will JQ's.

And there wouldn't need to be the cost of that refit nor the fleet strain of having aircraft out of service for the refits.

The only effect of JQ having the new birds is to make their already impressive financial performance even better and QF's even worse. Reasons I can only imagine.

 

[SeatBackForward]

Re: Jet Star 787 - Looks pretty good!

Ouch. The truth always hurts though.
Prior to establishing my own company 13 years ago and sick of the corporate life, I spent just over a year as a management consultant in the transport sector, mainly air and rail.
My only comment is we give management far too much credibility.

Incompetent Management can hide well within large organisations.

 

[moa999]

Re: Jet Star 787 - Looks pretty good!

Isn't it the objective of ALL airlines to have if not THE lowest, then 'low operating costs'? If the 787s went to QF, it would improve their margins by probably a bigger % than it will JQ's.
And there wouldn't need to be the cost of that refit nor the fleet strain of having aircraft out of service for the refits.
The only effect of JQ having the new birds is to make their already impressive financial performance even better and QF's even worse. Reasons I can only imagine.

Not just operating cost.... also you have the interest and depreciation on the planes...

Appears a number of airlines are pulling forward orders of the current model 737 and A320, because they feel the overall deal is better when compared to the better fuel economy but more expensive cost of the newer model.

 

[samh004]

Re: Jet Star 787 - Looks pretty good!

My thoughts exactly. Never flown JQ in my life and unfortunetly them having a 787 wont change that.

And you're not their target market anyway, so I wouldn't worry about ever wanting to fly with them

As mentioned, LCC's want lower operating costs, which the 787 can do over the A330.

1. JQi reduces operating costs with 787's replacing A330's
2. QFd reduces operating costs with A330's replacing 767's
3. QFi returns to profitability with A330's facilitating expansion back into Asia
4. QFgroup earns money to spend money

It's the best solution given what they've got, and doesn't even take into account taking on the 789, but if goals are met, then they'll probably want to continue spending on 789's.