Jetstar beefs up business class

[Auzzieflyer]

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/bu...s/news-story/790a79007c70ef2f7d61a96f4ad1789b

 

[Saab34]

Strange investment considering they will probably hit the scrap heap in about a decade. Seems like it’s part of the D checks.

Unless crew rest might enable them to get a buyer when they dispose of them, although I can’t imagine any takers for 20 year old, early build 788s.

 

[dajop]

Is there a summary of the key points? Behind a paywall.

 

[Auzzieflyer]

Will the transfer to Qantas rumours persist?

Is there a summary of the key points? Behind a paywall.

theres an article on Executive Traveller now

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/bu...s/news-story/790a79007c70ef2f7d61a96f4ad1789b

 

[yachty]

Jetstar PR

https://newsroom.jetstar.com/jetstar-announces-major-revamp-of-its-boeing-787-international-fleet/

 

[jrfsp]

Very interesting. Nice to see an upgrade for Y!
The Y seats do tend to get a bit uncomfortable after 8 hours. Looks like new routes are in store

 

[Guvner]

Would have been a great opportunity to rebrand "Business Class" to "Premium Economy" which, let's be honest, is more accurate.
I'd rather purchase a JQ Premium Economy fare and be pleasantly surprised than a Business fare and be disappointed.

 

[BAM1748]

Taking on Virgin more???

 

[justinbrett]

Looks like new routes are in store

Well I think we can rule out Africa. And Sri Lanka is closer than HNL, so not sure what was stopping that (in any case QF partner UL has that covered).

LAX might work, even though I'd never do it (a fate worse than death). Maybe even AKL-LAX. Or if they want to compete with Scoot, SIN-LGW or something.

 

[dajop]

. Or if they want to compete with Scoot, SIN-LGW or something.

SIN-LGW stopped ages ago, was very short lived and the only ever operated SIN-BKK-LGW. If Scoot couldn't make it work, don't see how Jetstar could. Norwegian also gave it a go (non-stop) back around 2018, but axed it well before COVID hit (was great in their equivalent class, did that once for about $600-700 one way).

If anything, for a longer route I'd put money on MEL-BOM or the like.

 

[jrfsp]

Well I think we can rule out Africa. And Sri Lanka is closer than HNL, so not sure what was stopping that (in any case QF partner UL has that covered).

LAX might work, even though I'd never do it (a fate worse than death). Maybe even AKL-LAX. Or if they want to compete with Scoot, SIN-LGW or something.

What about SAN? YVR might work quite well.
CPT, KUL…

 

[dajop]

What about SAN? YVR might work quite well.
CPT, KUL…

LAS would seem the obvious US destination.

If KUL was going to work, wouldn't they be doing it already?

 

[jrfsp]

LAS would seem the obvious US destination.

If KUL was going to work, wouldn't they be doing it already?

Quite possibly yes - although with the A321s freeing up 787 from DPS it opens up new availability for 787 routes. There’s also the A321XLRs next year which might replace further 787s routes (thinking CNS-Japan)

 

[HS-TQE]

787s from DPS are being allocated to BNE-North Asia ops.

I would not be surprised if BNE-LAX is added (on top of the existing QF A330 daily operation rather than replace QF).

SYD-LAS, SYD or MEL to India are other options. BNE-SFO as well (O&D/LCC focused) despite the Queensland Government/AAIF funded existing (FSC) UA SFO service.

 

[justinbrett]

What about SAN? YVR might work quite well.
CPT, KUL…

CPT would be a QF route, and they'd sell it at a high premium (they have already expressed interest in it). That's why I said we can rule out Africa, QF currently has a monopoly, no need for an LCC at the moment.

YVR? Maybe seasonally - but you'd think that would cannibalise QF's year round service there.

SAN? If you mean to avoid operating costs at LAX - I would think ONT is more viable - as they can market that as Los Angeles (Ontario). A bit hard to market Los Angeles (San Diego) as most people are familiar with San Diego as a separate city. But I don't think LAX is that expensive, a bit more than HNL but not masively.

LAS would seem the obvious US destination.

LAS is an expensive destination these days. If you can't afford to fly a full service airline, it's probably not for you. Average hotel price per night is US$250 - that's almost A$400/night.

Maybe somewhere in the Bay area (SFO, but not SFO as I'm pretty sure that's expensive. OAK?).

 

[AIRwin]

If anything, for a longer route I'd put money on MEL-BOM or the like.

Agreed - given AI (anything if)

 

[HS-TQE]

Taking on Virgin more???

Unlikely except "Short/Medium Haul" ops to Tokyo/Bali, which is covered by narrow bodies. JQ's 321LRs are candidates for ex CNS routes and XLRs ex-BNE.

JQ is more likely compete with other long haul LCCs and Value Carriers such as Scoot, AirAsiaX, Batik Air (ex-AirAsia A330 ops), VietJet, etc.

 

[justinbrett]

SIN-LGW stopped ages ago, was very short lived and the only ever operated SIN-BKK-LGW. If Scoot couldn't make it work, don't see how Jetstar could. Norwegian also gave it a go (non-stop) back around 2018, but axed it well before COVID hit (was great in their equivalent class, did that once for about $600-700 one way).

If anything, for a longer route I'd put money on MEL-BOM or the like.

I meant flying to Europe generally (don't Scoot fly to Germany direct?). UK would make sense for an Australian carrier.

Current conditions would be right with sky high air fares.

 

[dajop]

LAS is an expensive destination these days. If you can't afford to fly a full service airline, it's probably not for you. Average hotel price per night is US$250 - that's almost A$400/night.

Is that any different to HNL?

It does depend on whether a convention is happening at LAS or not, and how advance you book but I checked a few random dates and you could get stuff for around $200-250 AUD/night (headline rate of around $120 AUD/night... which of course being Las Vegas means you have to double it to account for resort fees), and cheaper than that in downtown vs the Strip (less resort fees).

In any event I was thinking more the Jetstar demographic rather than people necessarily wanting a cheap airfare. Just as there's a strong AFF "never Jetstar" demographic there's a group out there whose go to carrier is Jetstar.

 

[justinbrett]

Is that any different to HNL?

It does depend on whether a convention is happening at LAS or not, and how advance you book but I checked a few random dates and you could get stuff for around $200-250 AUD/night (headline rate of around $120 AUD/night... which of course being Las Vegas means you have to double it to account for resort fees.

In any event I was thinking more the Jetstar demographic rather than people necessarily wanting a cheap airfare. Just as there's a strong AFF "never Jetstar" demographic there's a group out there whose go to carrier is Jetstar.

Yeah it's somewhat different. HNL has hostels - and in any case I think a lot of the pax are connecting onwards to the mainland.

LAS is fairly cheap this time of year, being their winter, and Mon-Thu is usually a lot cheaper - but even a weekend in Feb could cost upwards of US/$300 night even at one of the cheaper resorts like Excalibur. For the majority of the year (Mar-Sep) it's expensive all the time. I go twice a year so I've got a pretty good handle on room prices. If you stay off strip or downtown you could get cheaper, but I'm just not sure budget travellers are flying from Australia to solely go to Vegas. I would think they're more likely to go somewhere like LA or SF, stay in hostels and backpack.

Even with the vast amount of Asian gamblers travelling to Vegas, there's only a single flight to Asia (ICN by KE). It's just easier to connect through LAX.