JASA cash upgrade to FASA

[Kangol]

Just to activate an old thread if I may.

Given the choice of a certain JASA (+ possible cash upgrade) and a certain FASA (for some additional 50,000 pts), what would you do ?

Points are aplenty (and WP also).

Personally, I'd go for FASA as it is a certain seat vs some lottery with the cash upgrade.

But given this thread, it appears there may be some AFFers who prefer the cash-upgrade route from JASA.

Am I missing something ?

Thanks in advance.

Depends on your circumstances. The JASA cash upgrade to FASA option is good for those who have a limited number of points and are willing to take the risk. If you have plenty of points, going straight to a FASA when available is your best bet.
Also depends on the route - generally the LAX sectors can be harder to get F or J availability compared to the LHR and HKG ones. Bird in the hand I guess.

To determine which is "worth more" depends on the value you assign to your points. I did some rough calculations on the cost of a FASA vs JASA cash upgrade to FASA vs the equivalent revenue fare and the "value" of the points in the JASA upgrade was 16c per point when compared to the cash revenue fare. Yes, sixteen. However that is route and time dependent. The straight up FASA was something like 11c per point.

 

[legroom]

Thanks

I always prefer 'a bird in hand' !

Depends on your circumstances. The JASA cash upgrade to FASA option is good for those who have a limited number of points and are willing to take the risk. If you have plenty of points, going straight to a FASA when available is your best bet.
Also depends on the route - generally the LAX sectors can be harder to get F or J availability compared to the LHR and HKG ones. Bird in the hand I guess.

To determine which is "worth more" depends on the value you assign to your points. I did some rough calculations on the cost of a FASA vs JASA cash upgrade to FASA vs the equivalent revenue fare and the "value" of the points in the JASA upgrade was 16c per point when compared to the cash revenue fare. Yes, sixteen. However that is route and time dependent. The straight up FASA was something like 11c per point.

 

[pauly7]

Thanks

I always prefer 'a bird in hand' !

It is very high risk.

Just book the FASA

 

[castie]

Is it possible to book a JASA on an emirates flight? ( Qantas site only showing EK flight number)
Also if I do is it then possible to cash upgrade to FASA?

Sorry if its been asked before but I could not find the answer.

 

[legroom]

ASA is only available on QF marketed & operated flights - no codeshares.

Is it possible to book a JASA on an emirates flight? ( Qantas site only showing EK flight number)
Also if I do is it then possible to cash upgrade to FASA?

Sorry if its been asked before but I could not find the answer.

 

[markis10]

ASA is only available on QF marketed & operated flights - no codeshares.

Any Seat Awards are available on any flight with a QF or JQ flight number including Codeshares.

 

[Nizar]

Any Seat Awards are available on any flight with a QF or JQ flight number including Codeshares.

Can you then upgrade that JASA to a FASA on say an EK metal flight ?

 

[serfty]

Can you then upgrade that JASA to a FASA on say an EK metal flight ?

Maybe, but I wouldn't worry - as a whole the opportunity for such upgrades is pretty rare - no one could really bank on it being available for any particular flight.

 

[hossein_au]

Any Seat Awards are available on any flight with a QF or JQ flight number including Codeshares.

Now I'm confused... I'm sure you're right, but last time I needed to book an international flight within Europe, I called the usual mASA number but I was told mASA was only available for Qantas and Jetstar flights. The flights I had in mind were on a partner airline (Air Berlin), and after the phone call I did not bother to see whether I can get QF flight numbers for them (with connecting them to an itinerary from Australia).

So to be clear, you are saying one can get marginal any seat award on any metal as long as it has a QF flight number?

 

[markis10]

So to be clear, you are saying one can get marginal any seat award on any metal as long as it has a QF flight number?

Any seat awards are available on any QF or JQ flight number, thats not to say they are available on all QF flight numbers, cabotage and availability come into play.

 

[legroom]

Are we referring to the MASA seats or the website-available ASA here, markis10 ?

QF would love the punters to believe that ASA means website points-heavy ASA, not the (P U Z X) MASA AFFers refer to.

Any Seat Awards are available on any flight with a QF or JQ flight number including Codeshares.

 

[markis10]

Are we referring to the MASA seats or the website-available ASA here, markis10 ?

QF would love the punters to believe that ASA means website points-heavy ASA, not the (P U Z X) MASA AFFers refer to.

Yes, previously I have booked ASAs as a codeshare to NAN!

 

[hossein_au]

Any seat awards are available on any QF or JQ flight number, thats not to say they are available on all QF flight numbers, cabotage and availability come into play.

Cool! Does anyone have any experience in securing some legs of an itinerary in mASA and others in cash? For example, for SYD-LAX-SFO, can one use cash for the SYD-LAX and mASA for LAX-SFO (or vice versa)?

 

[serfty]

As far as mASA's go, separate bookings.

Some years ago you could get a first class return LAX-SFO for about $275 - a simple 80 SC's. I did this with separate bookings several times.

 

[zainman]

Cool! Does anyone have any experience in securing some legs of an itinerary in mASA and others in cash? For example, for SYD-LAX-SFO, can one use cash for the SYD-LAX and mASA for LAX-SFO (or vice versa)?

LAX-SFO would not be on QF or JQ metal so cannot be a 'mASA' I believe.

 

[legroom]

Markis10

I remain unclear if you were still referring to garden-variety ASA or the disappearing MASA (in P, U, Z, X fare buckets).

This is what QF website states in relation to MASA (P, U, Z, X)

1. ".....
2. From 26 June 2013 Any Seat Award bookings made on Qantas marketed and operated flights in reservation classes X, Z, U or P cannot be made online at qantas.com. To make an Any Seat Award booking in these classes please call 1300 366 587 (dial in +61 2 8222 2430 from outside Australia). In most cases the points required for Any Seat Awards booked in these classes are higher than those required for a Classic Award in the same class of travel on the same flight..." [my bolding]

Of course, earlier on the same page, it also stated clearly what you are referring to i.e. any QF / JQ flight numbers incl. those on partner airlines (= codeshares)

"...

What can be booked?

Any available seat on: Qantas flights with a QF flight number Jetstar flights with a JQ flight number Plus you can combine a Qantas fare with selected flights on 43 partner airlines...."

My initial post earlier was referring to MASA as we are after here on AFF, not the "garden-variety" ASA.

Yes, previously I have booked ASAs as a codeshare to NAN!

 

[hossein_au]

LAX-SFO would not be on QF or JQ metal so cannot be a 'mASA' I believe.

But that is exactly what Serfy and Markis10 were alluding to: mASA being possible on ANY QF flight number regardless of the metal (pending availability, etc of course).

 

[serfty]

But that is exactly what Serfy and Markis10 were alluding to: mASA being possible on ANY QF flight number regardless of the metal (pending availability, etc of course).

They certainly used to be available online - as I posted some time ago I saw one on LAN between AKL and SYD.

 

[markis10]

Markis10

I remain unclear if you were still referring to garden-variety ASA or the disappearing MASA (in P, U, Z, X fare buckets).

This is what QF website states in relation to MASA (P, U, Z, X)

1. ".....
2. From 26 June 2013 Any Seat Award bookings made on Qantas marketed and operated flights in reservation classes X, Z, U or P cannot be made online at qantas.com. To make an Any Seat Award booking in these classes please call 1300 366 587 (dial in +61 2 8222 2430 from outside Australia). In most cases the points required for Any Seat Awards booked in these classes are higher than those required for a Classic Award in the same class of travel on the same flight..." [my bolding]

Of course, earlier on the same page, it also stated clearly what you are referring to i.e. any QF / JQ flight numbers incl. those on partner airlines (= codeshares)

"...

What can be booked?

Any available seat on: Qantas flights with a QF flight number Jetstar flights with a JQ flight number Plus you can combine a Qantas fare with selected flights on 43 partner airlines...."

My initial post earlier was referring to MASA as we are after here on AFF, not the "garden-variety" ASA.

It really does not get any simpler than the statement that ASAs can be booked on any QF flight number, whether Marginal ASAs are available is a different question and will depend on each flight, but they have been in the past as referenced here by myself and others, and that boils down to whether QF have committed to buying certain seats as part of that codeshare or only paying for what they use, for instance in the case of the EK codeshare its user pays, so no P U Z X bucket on the codeshare.

 

[hossein_au]

It really does not get any simpler than the statement that ASAs can be booked on any QF flight number, whether Marginal ASAs are available is a different question and will depend on each flight, but they have been in the past as referenced here by myself and others, and that boils down to whether QF have committed to buying certain seats as part of that codeshare or only paying for what they use, for instance in the case of the EK codeshare its user pays, so no P U Z X bucket on the codeshare.

Any information of what carriers would (possibly) have P, U, Z, or X availability?