JAL maybe forced into bankruptcy

[anat0l]

If JAL leaves will OW become the POW Alliance(part of world).

Not really. With the exception of Japan domestic, I believe you should be able to fly to all of the destinations on the current oneworld map with the other airlines.

Definitely not the most elegant routings and options certainly decrease.

 

[docjames]

If VA really want to splinter the QF group, I'd think about targeting the Japanese market.

My first response would be to agree but if you consider QF and JAL are running equally lowly product, and QF still cant make money and has to sub in Jetstar, surely it'd be a licence to lose money for VA to start BNE-NRT or similar? You;d think VA would end up having to charge JQ prices despite the better product.

There's something about this route that pax wont pay a premium for premium service.

Same pricing issue goes for BOM-Aus and PVG-Aus (although J* has yet to be subbed for QF).

 

[codash1099]

Not really. With the exception of Japan domestic, I believe you should be able to fly to all of the destinations on the current oneworld map with the other airlines.

Definitely not the most elegant routings and options certainly decrease.

It would make my DONE4 routing impossible. How else could you get from HNL to HKG?

 

[medhead]

There's something about this route that pax wont pay a premium for premium service.

Based on my old experiences in the early 1990s I'd say the reason is that this is basically a tourist route. Sure Japan has a image of being rich but most of the japanese that visit australia a far from rich (well 15 years ago) they are average middle class and they want to escape for a little while to see a koala before getting stuck into the rest of their life. Sure there were plenty of rich folk who owned apartments on the gold coast, but that is probably in decline and they are probably more likely to head to europe or elsewhere. I would if it was me. From our end again I'd suggest mainly students heading to japan on exchange or to teacher english or something. And that would have declined in the last few years as schools start to teacher other languages, like indonesia.

 

[Dave Noble]

You should be fine.Changing Alliances is not that straighforward and should be at least several months warning as with CO leaving Skyteam.
If JAL leaves will OW become the POW Alliance(part of world).

The alliance managed to operate before the arrival of JL and would be back to where it was should they leave

Dave

 

[codash1099]

A little relief:

JAL secures employee approval for pension cuts

 

[docjames]

It would make my DONE4 routing impossible. How else could you get from HNL to HKG?

AA to LAX, then CX?

 

[serfty]

AA to LAX, then CX?

Without JAL, that may not work on an xONEx with current schedules.

Befour JAL joined you couldn't fly between Hawaii and anywhere else in Canada/USA more than once:

Backtracking between Hawaii and the Continental USA/Canada is not permitted.

So Asia-Oz-[HNL-NA]-Eur- or -Eur-[NA-HNL]-Oz-Asia- were valid.

I do not believe MX flies MEX-HNL?

 

[drron]

When did they announce this?

Also, you'd think it might have something to do with the fact their J product BNE-NRT vv isnt up to scratch for a "full service" carrier.

Here is the FT thread.From memory BNE is scheduled to be dropped from 3/11.
JL eyes pulling out of 9 foreign cities: report - FlyerTalk Forums

 

[docjames]

drron, i've been pricing up options BNE-CDG and LHR-BNE in J, and JAL still shows direct BNE-NRT-CDG and LHR-NRT-BNE this is may/june so ok for my timings i guess

I'm amazed with all that is going on that they are planning this far in advance - I'd have thought negotiating through 30 day periods or so would be the way to go.......

OT//

Really, BNE is just useless for overseas flight options - we get the last of the crummy aircraft, and the most hopeless frequencies and connections. QF dont have a flight returning Sunday night overnight from HKG - just stupid.

 

[anat0l]

OT//

Really, BNE is just useless for overseas flight options - we get the last of the crummy aircraft, and the most hopeless frequencies and connections. QF dont have a flight returning Sunday night overnight from HKG - just stupid.

LOL

We are a secondary hub for QF. Imagine that.

We also have one of the nicest airports in AU...and we are A380 ready.

I think the main use of BNE now is really SQ flights to Singapore, MH flights to Malaysia, VA flights to the US and coughet (at least nicer aircraft than QF 2-class 744s) and EK/EY flights to Singapore and the UAE. That's about it - I guess no wonder we only need 10 gates.

 

[straitman]

I have just posted the latest link from Aviation Week and Space Technology re JAL here.

Here it is again.

JAL May Drop International Routes

 

[Mal]

Here is the FT thread.From memory BNE is scheduled to be dropped from 3/11.
JL eyes pulling out of 9 foreign cities: report - FlyerTalk Forums

Yeah, I think it's still only rumoured - not actually set in stone. The latest ones they've officially announced are here:
Nov 05, 2009 Revision to JAL Group Route and Flight Frequency Plan for Second Half FY2009 and Domestic Routes for First Half FY2010

 

[drron]

Yeah, I think it's still only rumoured - not actually set in stone. The latest ones they've officially announced are here:
Nov 05, 2009 Revision to JAL Group Route and Flight Frequency Plan for Second Half FY2009 and Domestic Routes for First Half FY2010

They did release their proposals but i can no longer find it.I remember it well as it certainly affects my future plans.I did print out the release but my study has had 2 compulsory clean ups since so the chances of finding it are slim.
The official release certainly are going as per what I remember with changes to China,KUL,MEX suggested for 2009/10.As I said I am pretty sure BNE was slated for March 2011 and with what has transpired since I dont think it will survive.

 

[medhead]

The Australian ran another story on JAL yesterday, mostly rehashing previous news but one thing that got my attention was:

However, speculation that JAL may be tending towards signing a deal worth $US1.02bn with Delta was stoked by a weekend interview with Haruka Nishimatsu, JAL's chief executive, in which he said that Delta had more Asian-focused partners in its alliance and that Asia represented some of JAL's best prospects for growth.

I'm not sure exactly why more Asian focussed partners would be a good thing. Sure they could divide up asian more effectively with codeshares. And the whole alliance might be able to cover all of asia. which would be good for JAL and help save costs and all. But I'd have to think that in the long run it is going to limit the potential for JAL to grow. There would be little point in opening up new routes in competition with your alliance partners.

 

[anat0l]

But I'd have to think that in the long run it is going to limit the potential for JAL to grow.

The way things are going for JAL there won't be much propensity to grow for IMO at least the next 5-15 years, no matter what they do or how they pull out of this mess.

Besides, there will still be residual untapped market potential with Skyteam even if JL joins; it might be able to take advantage of these routes after it gets back on its own feet.

 

[Hvr]

Bankruptcy for JAL.

It's not going to happen!

Trust me.

Looks like it is going to

JAPAN Airlines (JAL) is set to file for bankruptcy on January 19, the first step in a court-led rehabilitation process for the debt-ridden Japanese carrier, news reports said today.

The government and state-backed Enterprise Turnaround Corp. of Japan are considering extensively shrinking the international operations of Japan Airlines Corp. as part of the carrier's rehabilitation plan, which is likely to entail court-backed bankruptcy filing, sources said Friday.

 

[drron]

Bankruptcy Australian style isnt going to happen.It is more like the US system where companies are allowed to restructure with court protection.A recent report-
Bankruptcy, ¥700 billion in public funds eyed for JAL | The Japan Times Online
Some creditors are canvassing different options still-
Creditors hope JAL doesn't file | The Japan Times Online

 

[cosi]

Business Traveller Asia Pacific has the following news item

Troubled Japan Airlines (JAL) may turn down investment offers from both Delta and American Airlines opting for bankruptcy protection and cost-cutting programmes instead, according to Japanese media reports.Delta, which is part of the SkyTeam alliance, has offered US$1 billion to JAL, while American, like JAL a member of the Oneworld alliance, has upped its offer to US1.4 billion.
However, the government-sponsored agency tasked with saving the airline, the Enterprise Turnaround Initiative Corporation of Japan (ETIC), is now believed to be looking only at closer operational links, such as expanded code-share agreements, with one of the US carriers – not an investment deal.
Instead, JAL would file for bankruptcy protection this month and ETIC will inject around US$3.23 billion into the airline. However, this rescue deal may involve cutting around 10,000 jobs from its workforce of 48,000, and slashing as many as 40 to 50 domestic and international routes.
JAL’s long-haul routes are likely to be a major casualty of any rescue deal. Senior finance vice-minister Naoki Minezaki had even floated the idea of giving JAL’s international routes to rival ANA.


JAL rescue deal may spurn US investment - Business Traveller Asia

 

[jaffa]

JAL to slash job's and rejects American rescue bid's

JAL 'to cut jobs, reject cash bids'