JAL increases code shares to Australia.

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  1. markis10

    markis10 Veteran Member

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    JAL are obviously keen to expand their local presence, interesting partners.

    @airlineroute: JAL to start codesharing on Jetstar Tokyo Narita - Melbourne route from 22MAY14

    @airlineroute: JAL from 08MAY14 begins codesharing on Cathay Pacific's Hong Kong - Perth service

    @airlineroute: JAL from 08MAY14 begins codesharing on Malaysia Airlines' Kuala Lumpur - Darwin and Kuala Lumpur - Perth route

    Source obviously airlineroute.net
     

  2. TomVexille

    TomVexille Enthusiast

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    Would hate to book expecting JL and getting JQ
     
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  3. Himeno

    Himeno Established Member

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    Would be nice if they would codeshare with QF on the SYD-NRT route. JL currently codeshares with QF via SIN... They used to codeshare on the old JL BNE route.
     
  4. vitagen

    vitagen Established Member

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    It would be good if they did per-sin-nrt
     
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  5. Isochronous

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    Wasn't there some talk about a JL return to BNE?
     
  6. markis10

    markis10 Veteran Member

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    I doubt they would bother when they have their own service with better timings.
     
  7. Himeno

    Himeno Established Member

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    I think it would be more that IASC and ACCC aren't likely to allow QF and JL to codeshare on QF21/QF22/JL771/JL772 as QF and JL are the only carriers on that route.

    I wouldn't call the current QF22 timings with a 17 hour park "better timings". I would be quite happy to see a retiming to QF22 for a morning NRT departure/evening SYD arrival. That would improve aircraft use and if codeshares were allowed, it would give QF and JL both a morning and evening departure from both SYD and NRT.
     
  8. markis10

    markis10 Veteran Member

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    I am not calling the QF flight as better timings, referring to the JAL service :confused:, there is no restriction by the IASC, capacity is unlimited as there is an open skies agreement.
     
  9. Fruitcake

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    It is excellent timing for business travellers - I used JAL on my recent business trip to Tokyo so I could arrive on Sunday afternoon and take some time to familiarise myself with the NRT-Tokyo-office journey but in subsequent trips I'll likely be using QF overnight and heading straight into the office.
     
  10. Himeno

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    #10 Himeno, May 8, 2014
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    o_O
    If changed, it would be:
    JL772: SYD-NRT day
    QF21: SYD-NRT night
    QF22: NRT-SYD day
    JL771: NRT-SYD night
     
  11. ketsuzei

    ketsuzei Established Member

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    That would be perfect.
     
  12. Himeno

    Himeno Established Member

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    I never said anything about changing the JL flight times. The only flight that needs a time review is QF22 to avoid sitting at NRT for 17 hours/day and to improve aircraft use.

    IASC has gotten involved with similar things before.
    The current codeshare requirements for the Japan route

    So IASC and/or CASA and MILT has to approve any codeshares between an Australian airline and a Japanese airline.

    There are limits on the Japan route. Australian airlines are only allowed seven frequencies per week to HND and 79 "units" (sliding scale between 1 and 2.5 based on aircraft size) per week of 5th freedom from NRT.
     
  13. markis10

    markis10 Veteran Member

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    The open skies agreement is quite new, and we are talking in the context of NRT to SYD where there is unlimited capacity thanks to that agreement. If there had to be approval of any code shares how do you think JAL could put in place code shares in 24 hours as per post 1???
     
  14. Isochronous

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    With 17 hours on the ground and 5th freedom from NRT, how about NRT-ICN to have QF metal to Seoul?
     
  15. Fruitcake

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    #15 Fruitcake, May 8, 2014
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    Based on preferences in my office (which, admittedly, is a small segment of SYD-TYO travellers) I think that would be much less popular with business traffic than having overnight flights each way. SYD-NRT is almost a perfect long-haul commuter route because the flight is long enough to allow a solid length of sleep but doesn't leave you wrecked by time zone changes.

    EDIT: Sorry, I see your point now regarding flights both ways at both times. However unless you can buy a ticket at "regular" return airfare prices to travel one way on each airline then I think the current schedule is to QF's advantage (and that's quite possibly why last month they were asking $1,600 more than JAL for flights on the same days). If they had mutual codeshares then your proposed changes would be good for travellers at both ends.
     
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