Is Sydney Really This Bad? [Lockout Laws]

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Re: Is Sydney Really This Bad?

williamsf1 said:
The nanny state has killed Sydney ....... Well for anyone who enjoys a night out after 11pm anywhere.
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Thanks.
It's not that we go out much at night when travelling - but we do like staying somewhere lively rather than somewhere dead.
Regards,
Renato
 
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It's disappointing that nightlife has been killed in Sydney.
 
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Dr Ralph said:
Much of the article is true.

Suggest everyone subscribes to this thread and stays home with a good bottle of wine:

http://www.australianfrequentflyer....ine-lovers/vinomofo-wine-deals-53217-372.html
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Or use their Frequent Flyer and Velocity points to come to Melbourne and re-live what it used to be like in Sydney?

Especially enjoying the late night Kebab which is prohibited in Sydney (must be lots of Kebab-fuelled violence going on up there).
Cheers,
Renato
 
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Sydney really is that bad.
The problem is violence, but the lock-out policy measures exclusively target drinking alcohol at venues late at night.
The advice to drink at home completely overlooks the fact that we have a domestic violence epidemic which dwarfs the sporadic one punch problem.
If the violence really is alcohol-fuelled then less violence on the streets will mean more violence at home.
The laws have had a huge impact on gay nightlife on Oxford Street. Bars are closing up and down the street.
Gay people don't always have the option of drinking at home - you can't have a few friends over for drinks if you live with homophobic parents.
A lot of gay people work in the hospitality sector and that's one of the reasons why gay nightlife has always been a late night event.
I'm told it has also heavily impacted the live music scene.
Europe has neither these restrictive lockout laws nor the same problem with "alcohol-fuelled" street violence.
Wine is widely available in super markets and convenience stores at all hours of the day.
Obviously the problem isn't as simple as the proponents of lock-out laws would have us believe.
 
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esseeeayeenn said:
Sydney really is that bad.
The problem is violence, but the lock-out policy measures exclusively target drinking alcohol at venues late at night.
The advice to drink at home completely overlooks the fact that we have a domestic violence epidemic which dwarfs the sporadic one punch problem.
If the violence really is alcohol-fuelled then less violence on the streets will mean more violence at home.
The laws have had a huge impact on gay nightlife on Oxford Street. Bars are closing up and down the street.
Gay people don't always have the option of drinking at home - you can't have a few friends over for drinks if you live with homophobic parents.
A lot of gay people work in the hospitality sector and that's one of the reasons why gay nightlife has always been a late night event.
I'm told it has also heavily impacted the live music scene.
Europe has neither these restrictive lockout laws nor the same problem with "alcohol-fuelled" street violence.
Wine is widely available in super markets and convenience stores at all hours of the day.
Obviousy the problem isn't as simple as the proponents of lock-out laws would have us believe.
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I've been wondering if the sporadic one-punch for no apparent reason problem isn't so much to do with alcohol, rather to do with locals copying the game prevalent among some black teenage gangs in the USA, where the game is to knock out a white person with one punch. They don't get a point if the person isn't knocked out entirely.

The article suggests that alcohol-fuelled violence statistics are being misrepresented, as the alcohol intoxicated people are supposedly generally the victims of violence rather than the perpetrators of it. I've heard various discussions about the lock-out on 2GB, but this aspect never came up.
Regards,
Renato
 
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I've always gathered the drinking-at-home problem has a lot to do with the insane price of alcohol, especially at bars. Having been to the EU and lived in the US, yes drinkings a little bit more, but not the insane amount you can pay here. I don't even want to remember what I ended up spending over New Years myself. We as a country we do need to look at our drinking culture, and that does including money grubbing governments (with taxes) and venues charging the consumer through the nose.
 
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Unless your holiday involves bar-hopping late at night, you probably won't notice much difference. Plenty to do during the day, anyway.

And, there have always been businesses opening or closing down for all sorts of reasons.
 
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It's also partially a problem to do with the media causing fear. It feels like alcohol fuelled violence is increasing because we see it on the news all the time, when actually it has been decreasing for years now.

The vast majority of the violence occurs on the street where there is no security and a limited police presence, it's actually safer to be at a bar.

You also need to allow people to responsibly analyse risk of going out.
 
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DC3 said:
Unless your holiday involves bar-hopping late at night, you probably won't notice much difference. Plenty to do during the day, anyway.

And, there have always been businesses opening or closing down for all sorts of reasons.
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Many people don't have that option, years ago I used to work in hospitality and I didn't finish until 12am. After work on a Friday night was the best opportunity to socialise with friends until the early hours, that's no longer an option for many people.
 
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williamsf1 said:
The nanny state has killed Sydney ....... Well for anyone who enjoys a night out after 11pm anywhere.
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There's a huge difference between enjoying a night out and fearing for your life you don't end up dead at the hands of some irresponsible drunk.

There is nothing fun about drinking to the point where you lose control and think that bashing innocent bystanders and watching them hit the pavement is fun. No one wants to be that victim. No one wants friends and family to be that victim.

Once you can control these irresponsible drunk morons then perhaps we can enjoy a late night drink again.
 
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It's quite sad really. Having just come back from a trip where we were in France, Italy, Brazil and Argentina the availability of alcohol is plentiful from pretty much anywhere that sells food as well as convenience stores. They have thriving night life areas (and that doesn't mean getting boozed off your head!). Try going to a bar in Buenos Aires before 11pm, some of them won't even be open. A lot of restaurants don't open till 8pm. As always in Australia we haven't actually looked at what the cause of the problem is. Like another poster said, the violence still exists in homes if not on the street. It is like driving in Australia we don't fix the real cause (which is how easy it is to get a licence and how little driver education there is) but rather spend millions on all these negative campaigns, don't do this, don't do that, etc.
 
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JohnK said:
There's a huge difference between enjoying a night out and fearing for your life you don't end up dead at the hands of some irresponsible drunk.

There is nothing fun about drinking to the point where you lose control and think that bashing innocent bystanders and watching them hit the pavement is fun. No one wants to be that victim. No one wants friends and family to be that victim.

Once you can control these irresponsible drunk morons then perhaps we can enjoy a late night drink again.
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So anything that is potentially dangerous we should ban?
 
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Unless you're a party animal, you won't notice. Late night violence has dropped which is the up side.

I find I can go out and still drink more than I need to with ease :cool:.
 
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Oh dear,Oh dear.
Why was the Cross alive and buzzing when NSW had 6pm closing then 10pm closing.
Why has our society changed so much that to enjoy ones self you need to drink to excess regularly.

And unlike the author who says the laws are because someone might die people do die and not just because of the one punch episodes that get reported but directly due to alcohol and the trauma that those affected by alcohol.From my post on the off topic thread-
There's no supposedly about the effect of lockout laws.Watch Q&A from Monday night and Dr.Gordon Fulde who saw a huge reduction in ED attendances due to aklcohol and the violence it causes at St.Vincent's Sydney.
You probably are unaware of the trauma that alcohol brings.See if you can spend a few hours at night with an ED doc at a major city hospital.Can be frightening.Are you aware of how prevalent attacks on hospital staff are-and the majority due to alcohol and other drugs.Here are the figures from Adelaide with over 20 staff attacked each day across the city.
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PS-An article giving figures on the drop in violence-
http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/aus...olence-and-fun
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And why aren't people using the USA as an example where no one parties-maybe because in a majority of states the serving of alcohol has to cease at 2am or before.California is 2am which of course includes San Fran.Texas is midnight but 1am on Saturdays.In NYC it is 4am but other parts of New York State are earlier.

And despite what some of the comments on that article say there is no evidence of a rise in violence in other areas or of domestic violence at those hours.
 
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