Is Qantas the only Oneworld member that now punishes people for flying Oneworld??

[robbo10]

The current changes really are the nail in the coffin for me and the QFF program.
Especially since Virgin Australia (boy am I glad I status matched) handsomely reward members for flying on it's partner airlines.

Just wondering - is Qantas the only Oneworld member that offers passengers less status credits and points for flying on other Oneworld airlines?
It seems ridiculous to me that Oneworld would allow Qantas (a founding member of the alliance) to punish passengers for flying on member airlines in it's own alliance at the expense of Emirates.

Alan Joyce has been the death of this airline - why oh why did they let John Borghetti go???

 

[ReLoad]

The short answer is no they are not. some airlines inside one world do not play nicely, CX is renowned for not being a team player, some of its cross airline earning tables are poor and vv with it.

As for Joyce, well he is a clown no doubt, but Virgin are losing just as much cash, they just have magic deep pockets to keep the cash filled up.

To Me the biggest failure of Borghetti is tying up into a global alliance, I cannot take their pseudo alliances seriously.

 

[mannej]

No - QF are not the only ones. If you look at CX, they have a number of zero earn fare buckets with AM, not forgetting other airlines do the same for cheap fares within their own airline (SQ for one).

There is no proof to say that with JB on board that QF would have fared any better. He isn't particularly setting the world alight with his financial results at VA is he?

 

[samh004]

CX has quite a few fares that don't earn or do so very poorly to itself. At least Qantas has a minimum points guarantee there.

I think BA is quite nasty from what I recall of looking at the earn tables for Australia. Entirely zone based too.

 

[Aussie_flyer]

CX has quite a few fares that don't earn or do so very poorly to itself. At least Qantas has a minimum points guarantee there.

I think BA is quite nasty from what I recall of looking at the earn tables for Australia. Entirely zone based too.

BA earning is mileage based not zone based. for QF discount its 25% miles flown

 

[Jean Prouvaire]

There is no proof to say that with JB on board that QF would have fared any better. He isn't particularly setting the world alight with his financial results at VA is he?

I believe the difference is that Virgin is currently losing money having spent heavily to grow its share of the lucrative business travel market and market share overall. Qantas is losing money having spent heavily, only to shrink it share of the lucrative business travel market and market share overall.

Both are losing money, but Virgin is better-placed to produce profits in the future.

 

[dajop]

What the difference is not so much on the points earn side (that's always been there), it's the status credit side, particularly in higher classes - such as business class. You find some differentiation between "own carrier" status earn and one-world earn, but struggling to think of instances where you earn half the status flying a OW partner vs "own carrier" in business class, except where QF is involved (eg MH Enrich status earning when travelling on QF in J in competitive routes is half of MH earn on same routes).

 

[SQ421]

Can't think* of any OneWorld Airline that has changed its earning tables to penalise its frequent flyers for choosing an alliance member over the "home" airline on competing routes. Especially in premium cabins where Qantas just doesn't compare on price+product.

(*haven't looked too closely at the BA TP earning chart yet but I think BA metal gets a couple of more earning tiers than partner airlines for flights over a certain distance).

 

[Austashes]

So - which FF program for someone who flies to the US and domestically?

 

[dajop]

Can't think* of any OneWorld Airline that has changed its earning tables to penalise its frequent flyers for choosing an alliance member over the "home" airline on competing routes. Especially in premium cabins where Qantas just doesn't compare on price+product.

MH does, definitely. In a minor way generally (business class is 150% of miles on MH, 125% on OW partners), but specifically it only offers 75% travelling in J class on QF routes to/from Australia, NZ, Europe & DXB. But this does not apply to other competitive routes (eg CX to HKG, JL to Japan etc) only to QF routes, one can but speculate which airline was behind the QF differentiation.

 

[mannej]

I believe the difference is that Virgin is currently losing money having spent heavily to grow its share of the lucrative business travel market and market share overall. Qantas is losing money having spent heavily, only to shrink it share of the lucrative business travel market and market share overall.

Both are losing money, but Virgin is better-placed to produce profits in the future.

As VA and QF were in different predicaments when AJ was appointed, you can't use JB's performance at VA to suggest he would have done a better job.

 

[Melburnian1]

There is no proof to say that with JB on board that QF would have fared any better. He isn't particularly setting the world alight with his financial results at VA is he?

Both QF and VA are performing disastrously at present in a financial sense.

Can anyone ever see either again making a net profit after depreciation and all the other costs of Australian domiciled airlines, including staff who may be in some grades paid twice in salary, wages or allowances what Asian or Middle Eastern airlines would pay? Perhaps I need to recall that not so many years ago, QF made quite reasonable profits. I have not tried to calculate if it was an acceptable return on shareholders' funds. By 'acceptable' I mean 100 per cent at least more than a company could obtain by placing its funds with a 'safe' cash management facility.

If airlines were rational, both QF and VA would be shut down and all shareholders' funds returned, but the important difference is that VA has two profitable stablemates who appear willing to stump up cash (though how much is unknown) while QF lacks that, and is gradually depleting its $2.6 billion or whatever of reserves.

That said, given the number of flights each operates, an extra net $2000 of revenue a domestic flight would make a big difference, but travellers who are directly paying for their flights are price sensitive and many trips are discretionary, so if the fares rose, some would not travel.

VA is a much smaller company than QF, but one plus is that VA does not have the basket case financial millstone of QFi hanging around its head. Running five VA 777s to AUH and LAX and 738s to various Kiwi and Pacific destinations isn't the financial drain of the routes that QF's A330s, 744s and A388s operate on.

 

[robbo10]

What the difference is not so much on the points earn side (that's always been there), it's the status credit side, particularly in higher classes - such as business class. You find some differentiation between "own carrier" status earn and one-world earn, but struggling to think of instances where you earn half the status flying a OW partner vs "own carrier" in business class, except where QF is involved (eg MH Enrich status earning when travelling on QF in J in competitive routes is half of MH earn on same routes).

Agreed.
I've been looking at BA, Cathay, AA, Japan Airlines - no difference in status credit earning regardless of which OW airline you are flying.

 

[Robert K]

The current changes really are the nail in the coffin for me and the QFF program.
Especially since Virgin Australia (boy am I glad I status matched) handsomely reward members for flying on it's partner airlines.

Just wondering - is Qantas the only Oneworld member that offers passengers less status credits and points for flying on other Oneworld airlines?
It seems ridiculous to me that Oneworld would allow Qantas (a founding member of the alliance) to punish passengers for flying on member airlines in it's own alliance at the expense of Emirates.

Alan Joyce has been the death of this airline - why oh why did they let John Borghetti go???

Let's get one thing straight. No one is punished for flying OW. Just not rewarded as much.
If they took SC away from you for flying OW, THAT would be a punishment.

Not all programs use the status credit mechanism for determining membership levels.

Not sure how Virgin handsomely rewards members for flying on partner airlines.
Points earn rate on partners is equal if not less then flying on virgin.
Virgin also has different earning rates for disc. Y, Y, PE, disc. J, flexi J, 3x F

It's fine to whine and moan, but there are plenty of existing threads to do that in.

 

[Jean Prouvaire]

As VA and QF were in different predicaments when AJ was appointed, you can't use JB's performance at VA to suggest he would have done a better job.

Oh sure. That said, I think it's reasonable to assume that Joyce and Borghetti had different ideas about where to take Qantas Group post-Dixon. If they were all singing from exactly the same hymn book Borghetti would have been the more natural successor. That doesn't mean Qantas under Borghetti wouldn't be in financial straits - legacy and structural problems being deeply ingrained in the DNA of the company - but neither does it mean a JB Qantas would have made the same choices with the same results as an AJ Qantas.

 

[Isochronous]

Isn't EK punished in the same way if you book on EK code rather than QF codeshare?

 

[yohy?!]

Mileage based status point earning on cx is quite attractive for those of us forced to travel in Y for work...1 USA trip and I'm a third of the way to requaling for GO

 

[Robbi]

It's fine to whine and moan, but there are plenty of existing threads to do that in.

So why are you whining and moaning in here about people whining and moaning in here?

Pot...kettle....

 

[JohnK]

As mentioned Qantas is not alone.

I think BA is quite nasty from what I recall of looking at the earn tables for Australia. Entirely zone based too.

Can Australians without a UK address join BA Executive Club? And I seem to recall status was only earned on premium airfares unless that has changed.

 

[Robbi]

As mentioned Qantas is not alone.


Can Australians without a UK address join BA Executive Club? And I seem to recall status was only earned on premium airfares unless that has changed.

No, Aussies are one of the very few nationalities who are excluded, unless you have an alternate address in a supported country.

Having said that, I do and I did