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I just booked some flights and they are not with Qantas
Jetstar?I just booked some flights and they are not with Qantas
While I agree with most of what you say here, when and where did Jetstar fly 767's. Genuine question as I don't recall them ever having anything but 717s at start up and a320/330 since.From close examination over the last three or so years of Q's 'business strategy' I think it is fair to say they have already won the race to the bottom.
QI has been steadily piled up with Jetstar's cast-offs (767s for example) so that the operating cost difference makes QI even more dire. I pulled a series of examples out using the IATA data where for example when Jetstar had the 767s on a route where QI operated a more modern plane (generally at least 13 years newer) QI charged a fuel surcharge multiples of that charged by jetstar for the same route (say to Hawaii). The older planes not only cost more to fly per passenger km but are out of service significantly more often for maintenance and for longer periods. Yet Jetstar did not charge an appropriate fuel surcharge but were
Jetstar?
QI has been steadily piled up with Jetstar's cast-offs (767s for example) so that the operating cost difference makes QI even more dire. I pulled a series of examples out using the IATA data where for example when Jetstar had the 767s on a route where QI operated a more modern plane (generally at least 13 years newer) QI charged a fuel surcharge multiples of that charged by jetstar for the same route (say to Hawaii). The older planes not only cost more to fly per passenger km but are out of service significantly more often for maintenance and for longer periods. Yet Jetstar did not charge an appropriate fuel surcharge but were remarkably profitable...
Now that QI has those planes they are more unprofitable - something does not add up. Swapping the planes just before major scheduled maintenance overhauls is purely accidental of course.
I cannot find the dislike button :!:Dare I say Jetstar and Tiger. Embarrassing I know.
Thanks for summing up my thoughts Princess.I'm ashamed to say, I'm one of those FF who was pretty angry at the changes to OW partner earning and maybe like the majority who were upset, I said and did nothing.
I thank those who did more than rant and rave on the forums.
From my own perspective the changes have made me do something I never thought possible and that is looking at my future travel beyond LTG. I'm not there yet but I am accelerating my progression to it and continuing to explore opportunities in OW outside QFF.
I suspect I am not alone
I sincerely hope QF are listening.
I have been QF Plat the last 5 years (and QF Gold for 4 years prior to that) I think, and about 2 years away from LTG....so I'll aim for that but will start looking elsewhere after that...I was PPS with SQ prior to reaching QF Plat, and I will be looking in that direction again. Sad to say, but I find the service, food and beverages in SQ J mostly superior to QF J....so QF do listen as I'm another one very unhappy with your recent "simpler and fairer" changes.I'm ashamed to say, I'm one of those FF who was pretty angry at the changes to OW partner earning and maybe like the majority who were upset, I said and did nothing.
I thank those who did more than rant and rave on the forums.
From my own perspective the changes have made me do something I never thought possible and that is looking at my future travel beyond LTG. I'm not there yet but I am accelerating my progression to it and continuing to explore opportunities in OW outside QFF.
I suspect I am not alone
I sincerely hope QF are listening.
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Sad to say, but I find the service, food and beverages in SQ J mostly superior to QF J....so QF do listen as I'm another one very unhappy with your recent "simpler and fairer" changes.
Well, recently on a Syd-Lax flight in J, after take off, I was served a glass of wine and WAIT FOR IT, a packet of mixed pretzels and cashew nuts....I counted TWO cashew nuts in total:evil::evil::evil:. Pretzels in J class...on a 10K fare QF???It has been that way for years, not sure anything has changed over the past 12 months really, except for Cafe Breakfast
SQ J > QF J by A LONG SHOT
I know...Syd loses one of the A380s but the 4 daily flights to Sin gives one great options and flexibility...the J seats in the 777-300ER (1615 departure) and A380 (1215 departure) are identical I think, and IMHO, the best J seats in the air atm.However, SQ really annoy me with their ongoing equipment changes on the MEL route
We lose the A380 in a few months and SYD loses 1 as well
They're my favourite J seat so far as well. Have yet to try any of the ME airlines though.I know...Syd loses one of the A380s but the 4 daily flights to Sin gives one great options and flexibility...the J seats in the 777-300ER (1615 departure) and A380 (1215 departure) are identical I think, and IMHO, the best J seats in the air atm.
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I'm ashamed to say, I'm one of those FF who was pretty angry at the changes to OW partner earning and maybe like the majority who were upset, I said and did nothing.
I thank those who did more than rant and rave on the forums.
From my own perspective the changes have made me do something I never thought possible and that is looking at my future travel beyond LTG. I'm not there yet but I am accelerating my progression to it and continuing to explore opportunities in OW outside QFF.
I suspect I am not alone
I sincerely hope QF are listening.
While I agree with most of what you say here, when and where did Jetstar fly 767's. Genuine question as I don't recall them ever having anything but 717s at start up and a320/330 since.
Fare 1: Carrier JQ NHOW2 SYD to HNL Passenger type ADT, one-way fare, booking code N Covers SYD-HNL (Economy) | AU$617.81 |
Fare 2: Carrier JQ OHOW2 HNL to SYD Passenger type ADT, one-way fare, booking code O Covers HNL-SYD (Economy) | AU$667.81 |
US International Arrival Tax (US) | AU$17.00 |
Australian Int'l Passenger Service Charge (WY) | AU$25.92 |
Australian Passenger Movement Charge (AU) | AU$55.00 |
US Customs Fee (YC) | AU$5.60 |
US Immigration Fee (XY) | AU$7.10 |
USDA APHIS Fee (XA) | AU$5.10 |
US September 11th Security Fee (AY) | AU$2.60 |
US International Departure Tax (US) | AU$17.00 |
Australian Int'l Passenger Service Charge (WY) | AU$25.92 |
| |
Subtotal per passenger | AU$1,447.24 |
Number of passengers | x1 |
| |
Total airfare & taxes | AU$1,447.24 |
Fare 1: Carrier QF NKHNL SYD to HNL Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code N Covers SYD-HNL (Economy) | AU$564.50 |
Fare 2: Carrier QF NKHNL HNL to SYD Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code N Covers HNL-SYD (Economy) | AU$564.50 |
(YQ) | AU$350.00 |
QF YR surcharge (YR) | AU$30.00 |
USDA APHIS Fee (XA) | AU$5.10 |
US Immigration Fee (XY) | AU$7.10 |
US Customs Fee (YC) | AU$5.60 |
Australian Passenger Movement Charge (AU) | AU$55.00 |
Australian Int'l Passenger Service Charge (WY) | AU$25.92 |
US International Arrival Tax (US) | AU$17.00 |
Australian Int'l Passenger Service Charge (WY) | AU$25.92 |
US International Departure Tax (US) | AU$17.00 |
US September 11th Security Fee (AY) | AU$2.60 |
US Passenger Facility Charge (XF) | AU$4.60 |
| |
Subtotal per passenger | AU$1,674.84 |
Number of passengers | x1 |
| |
Total airfare & taxes | AU$1,674.84 |
Fare 1: Carrier QF OLSP2 SYD to LAX Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code O Covers SYD-LAX (Economy) | AU$305.00 |
Fare 2: Carrier QF QLSP2 LAX to SYD Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code Q Covers LAX-SYD (Economy) | AU$430.00 |
(YQ) | AU$680.00 So rewards booking - surcharge is more than fare component = RIP OFF (If the $305 fare class was available both ways) |
(YR) | AU$30.00 |
USDA APHIS Fee (XA) | AU$5.10 |
US Immigration Fee (XY) | AU$7.10 |
US Customs Fee (YC) | AU$5.60 |
Australian Passenger Movement Charge (AU) | AU$55.00 |
Australian Int'l Passenger Service Charge (WY) | AU$25.92 |
US International Arrival Tax (US) | AU$17.00 |
Australian Int'l Passenger Service Charge (WY) | AU$25.92 |
US International Departure Tax (US) | AU$17.00 |
US September 11th Security Fee (AY) | AU$2.60 |
US Passenger Facility Charge (XF) | AU$4.60 |
| |
Subtotal per passenger | AU$1,610.84 |
Number of passengers | x1 |
| |
Total airfare & taxes | AU$1,610.84 |