Is Alan Joyce "worth it?"

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I am not the number one fan of Australia's unions - far from it - and any article about another person reflects the writer's biases and perhaps personal dislikes, but this article makes some very good points about QF's ageing fleet - for me, the failure to renew the domestic aircraft is a standout about which I've previously commented - and QF's financial performance - not stellar every year - under Mr Alan Joyce as CEO:


Mr Joyce is terrific at generating publicity - witness the Project Sunrise flight where he has conned the media into believing it was a "commercial flight" when it only had 49 passengers (and no one in whY) - but among other "achievements" he may be remembered for cutting the catering. A first world problem but important to many travellers.

Another standout is how QF's and JQ's punctuality and reliability leaves a heck of a lot to be desired. See the appropriate delays/cancellations threads on AFF. Many QF and JQ delays internationally stand in contrast to lots of foreign airlines that manage by and large to operate reliably and punctually to and from Australia. As AFFer Mel_Traveller has frequently commented, JQ loves to cancel flights, particularly ex and to MEL.

The cancellation rate in many months of above six per cent on our busiest domestic route, MEL - SYD and return, for QF flights is appalling. It isn't all due to weather.

QF's profitability on international routes is nothing particularly marvellous. Domestically it's up against a relatively weak competitor in VA that incurred massive losses under Mr Borghetti, and is now probably about to rationalise its offerings, so making money is easy for QF.

While it's "no news" in the sense that anyone with a modicum of commonsense ought know this occurs (and not just with QF), the redemption value of FF points has repeatedly been reduced, as Mattg of AFF has so sagaciously written about more than once.

QF fares generally are extremely high. I save a lot of money by not patronising it, and on Asian airlines receive the excellent service that is not always the case with QF, while the aircraft these Asian competitors use are often more modern, while such airlines also have a good safety record.

Mr Joyce's repeated incursions into social policy matters outside the ambit of an airline is extremely annoying and something I ignore, but that's strictly outside the scope of an aviation forum. Stick to fixing the airline!

A hugely overrated airline complemented by what many may suggest, including Mr Purvinas, is an overpaid CEO at QF.
I agree a lot on matters you raise and I am especially annoyed at his influence on social matters as with many other companies etc. Is he worth $24 or even $10 million? No because under his watch the brand has suffered in loyalty, integrity and customer service.
 
I agree a lot on matters you raise and I am especially annoyed at his influence on social matters as with many other companies etc. Is he worth $24 or even $10 million? No because under his watch the brand has suffered in loyalty, integrity and customer service.
Has it though? Or is it simply your perception that is the case? What evidence do you have to support these claims?
 
yes entirely, and that comes from careful analysis of the financial statements. it was a cosy duopoly when it was sinking too.

It was a duopoly when it was sinking. But not at all “cosy” like it is now.
 
Has it though? Or is it simply your perception that is the case? What evidence do you have to support these claims?
It is partly my perception but also many other people I know both customers and staff ( and others on this site as well) that think the same. That is proof enough to say Qantas has lost what it had many years back. I have flown Qantas since 1985 and it has changed believe me since then. It use to have the National Carrier tag as it was then owned by the government which added to that ideal, but that is becoming more a memory than anything else. In my last 12 years of flying (a lot of flying) I received better service from Qantas partners than i did d=from Qantas even though I was a high tiered member. There were times they did not know I existed on board or elsewhere...Whenever i fly to Europe I often pick Emirates and they treat me perfectly and I am not even a Skywards member. It is not their perception THEY HAVE LOST WHAT THEY ONCE HAD - REAL CUSTOMER SERVICE.
 
Very interesting article.Compared to his US airline CEOs very definitely his pay is too high.
Delta.CEO $13.5million or 142 times his employees median pay of $93316.

AA. CEO $12.2 million or 195 times his employees median pay of $62394.

United. CEO $9.5 million. or 115 times his employees pay of $83122.

Now Alan Joyce with total package of $A24.9 million.Or $US17.1 million.FAs median pay last year $60000.If we take that as QF staffs median pay that means AJ earns 422 times his staffs median pay.If we take a higher figure say $90000 he is only getting 277 times his staffs median pay.


This seems to be an issue in quite a few areas including Universities. Where the previous VC of Mac Uni increased his own salary from $500k to $1.1 Million in 3 years while not hitting any of his KPIs. All across the Universities there is this real push for increasing upper management roles and cutting down on academic / professional staff roles. In some areas there are more managers than staff that they are managing....

In all types of workplaces where this happens, if you take one of those managers off, you can probably put in quite employ quite a few normal staff positions.
 
Probably not as bad as our public hospitals.If you can find it it is interesting to read the cross examination of the Director General of Qld Health by the Commissioner Mr.Morris.The report has been suppressed in QLD but was read into Hansard by the member for Wide Bay.
But it went something like this.
Morris-So 60% of QLD health salaries are spent on non clinical staff.
DG-no that is not correct.
Morris-Well I have your last 5 Annual reports here and that is what you have signed off as correct.
DG-Well...
Morris.Well I have worked in the private sector and 20% spending on back room salaries would be the maximum I have seen.
So if you could bring that figure down to 20% you could double the number of doctors,nurses,Allied health etc.

The sad thing is that when Campbell Newman became Premier he was determined to fix that.However his Minister for Health, Springborg, gave the job for identifying surplus positions to the Director general of Health and surprisingly (not) he decided most were to be front line staff.
 
This article is hardly 'news'. All it does is highlight QFd's ageing fleet, and hints at placing an order 'by the end of 2020' mean that decision is up to 14 months away, not exactly tomorrow.

Is it 'news' that 'by the end of 2020, the Prime Minister will decide on issue X?' In many cases, the community would wonder why a decision wouldn't be publicly made say on Budget night 2020-21 sooner unless there was a Royal Commission being held.

Technically the domestic mainline fleet might not 'need' to be replaced for another decade as QF CEO Mr Joyce says, but there's important things to passengers such as fixtures and fittings showing wear (no matter how well maintained) and fuel consumption per seat kilometre presumably being higher on older B738s than new aircraft:


The second last paragraph is interesting re capital expenditure, though many are cynical about whether 'Project Sunrise' will ever get off the ground.
 
Mr Joyce's repeated incursions into social policy matters outside the ambit of an airline is extremely annoying and something I ignore, but that's strictly outside the scope of an aviation forum. Stick to fixing the airline!
A hugely overrated airline complemented by what many may suggest, including Mr Purvinas, is an overpaid CEO at QF.

Interesting how you at once (very rightly) mention that this is outside the scope of an aviation forum but at the same time, you can't resist uttering your opinion on it- strictly outside of scope that is of course!

I for my part find it much worse if the church tries to repeatedly influence social policy matters outside the ambit of a credulous cult. But this is strictly outside the scope of an aviation forum of course 😇
 
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I do wonder what his salary would be if the fuel prices were high.
 
I felt Qantas should have used some of his excess salary to make the plane seats more comfortable. The plane fleet has not been properly updated either so the profit figures are enhanced by the lack of renewal.
 
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,,,I for my part find it much worse if the church tries to repeatedly influence social policy matters outside the ambit of a credulous cult. But this is strictly outside the scope of an aviation forum of course 😇

There aren't 'Alan Joyce hospitals' everywhere, but there are numerous Catholic hospitals (that treat people irrespective of creed or race). AJ has no standing (other than as a private citizen) in matters of social policy outside the innards of the organisation of which he's CEO.
 
There aren't 'Alan Joyce hospitals' everywhere, but there are numerous Catholic hospitals (that treat people irrespective of creed or race). AJ has no standing (other than as a private citizen) in matters of social policy outside the innards of the organisation of which he's CEO.

You can't stop your ramblings, can you? It's bad enough that hospitals and even schools are allowed to be operated by religious cults in this country if you ask me but this is seriously not the right forum for these discussions!
 
You can't stop your ramblings, can you? It's bad enough that hospitals and even schools are allowed to be operated by religious cults in this country if you ask me but this is seriously not the right forum for these discussions!
Berlin...what are you in about religious cult...i don't think you know what that means. All Melburnian1 is saying is that Alan Joyce needs to zip his lip and not use the company to influence Social Policy or even law...I agree...!
 
Berlin...what are you in about religious cult...i don't think you know what that means. All Melburnian1 is saying is that Alan Joyce needs to zip his lip and not use the company to influence Social Policy or even law...I agree...!

And I disagree to the fullest. Can we now maybe come back to talking about airplanes?
 
Actually if you read the post and the title of this blog it is not about airplanes but Alan Joyce...
I'm not engaging with this silly discussion any longer. But I don't like the tone and attitude of your posts at all.
 
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