Idiot Smoker Nearly Causes Fire Onboard

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Flying back from Hong Kong last night on QF128 in Prem Economy, I was sat near the exit and saw something that really scared us (and the crew).

Some idiot young guy from Economy came up and decided to smoke in the toilets which is bad enough in itself but he tossed his smoke into the waste bin starting the hand towels smoldering, we smelt smoke as did alert crew who were able to prevent the situation becomng a major one. It could have been very nasty as we were hours out of HK over water.

What would make someone so irrisponsible and stupid, after seeing this I felt a complete ban on lighters and matches would be a good move, how easy would it be to set a fire onboard an aircraft.
 
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It makes you wonder how some people are so oblivious to things.

I recall landing into BKK and as we cleared the airport fence someone stood up and wandered off to use the toilet..
 
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Flying back from Hong Kong last night on QF128 in Prem Economy, I was sat near the exit and saw something that really scared us (and the crew).

Some idiot young guy from Economy came up and decided to smoke in the toilets which is bad enough in itself but he tossed his smoke into the waste bin starting the hand towels smoldering, we smelt smoke as did alert crew who were able to prevent the situation becomng a major one. It could have been very nasty as we were hours out of HK over water.

What would make someone so irrisponsible and stupid, after seeing this I felt a complete ban on lighters and matches would be a good move, how easy would it be to set a fire onboard an aircraft.

I hope he was arrested on arrival?
 
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Actually a ban on morons would be better. :)

I hope the pax was severely castigated and met by law enforcement upon landing. he should be banned from flying again for a very long time.
 
Problem is, you can't ban matches. Lighters are also difficult to ban ... but are slightly more detectable.

What an absolute idiot. I do hope there were consequences to his actions. However - why didn't the staff already know? Smoke detector in the lav should go off quickly (and yes, there are ways to tamper with it, but I doubt an idiot who tosses a lit cig into the trash would know them), and should have already been well on the ball before passengers knew...
 
It's a bit rough when the fire is detected by smelling the smoke. So how easy was it for him to get round the smoke detector in the toilet?
 
I hope he was charged when you landed. Disgusting behaviour in this day and age. A health risk, safety risk and everyone knows the consequences (except for Brian McFadden last year on a VA flight to LAX)
 
I suspect the smoke detector going off is why he ditched his smoke in the bin, the staff did react very fast and they tried to find who it was asking us but we did not really get a look as we had our eyes covered snoozing. I am not sure how loud they are as we heard nothing but the area was mobbed by crew so it may sound in another area.
 
I was on a QF A380 (Can't remember the flight exactly but it was either SYD-SIN or LAX-SIN, I know it was going to or from the USA but on a sector to SIN) a pax lit up in a washroom and the cabin crew quickly knocked in the door and pulled out the pax who had also sprayed hair spray or deodorant to try and mask the odour of smoke. Silly git was taken by police on arrival.
 
What would make someone so irrisponsible and stupid, after seeing this I felt a complete ban on lighters and matches would be a good move, how easy would it be to set a fire onboard an aircraft.

The security lanes at PVG, if not all Chinese airports, have a special bin for people to cede their lighters into.
 
Hope karma gets him, and has his balls burnt by a lit cigarette sometime soon ;)
 
A health risk, safety risk and everyone knows the consequences (

Actually, taking the cultural blinkers off, there are vast swathes of people, particularly in some parts of the world, who have a very different understanding of what is dangerous and what is acceptable or not. Rules are often ignored. It's not necessary even for the front wheels to touch down to get out of seats and start retrieving carry on luggage, you only need the rear wheels to touch down. Same principles as the above mentioned. N. Icelandair (look it up ;)) . You see it on the road, you see it in the air, you see it all sorts of places. I guess one could expect better behaviour from international long haul passengers though, but this doesn't at all surprise me (it would if it was a MEL-SYD flight though).
 
I will simply add my additional criticism of this appropriately proclaimed "idiot" on top of the already plethora of appropriately stated on the thread.

If I had it my way, I'd mandate a zero tolerance protocol for such offenders and mandatory detention and jailing of offenders for a minimum of one week. Of course, I doubt there's one jurisdiction in the world who'd see it my way (even Singapore, although a caning would be a nice substitute).

ausi ski bum, any signs that the offender was met by the authorities upon landing, if at all?


I remember asking a question about dealing with smokers in the "Chicken or Beef" thread (a.k.a. "Ask the Flight Attendant"). Some of them get a warning (for the first time) and confiscation of smokes and lighters; some others get met by the authorities (even on the first offence).

I think we won't see a blanket ban on lighters, matches or smokes any time soon (the first two items can only be limited by quantity, but not completely banned).
 
I am not sure how loud they are as we heard nothing but the area was mobbed by crew so it may sound in another area.

Unmistakable if you know what you're listening for. Comes up on all crew info panels as well.
 
Well firstly thanks for saying smouldering and smoke - where there is smoke there isn't always a fire.

When the alarm goes off, don't expect lot of bells and lights and alerts in the cabin. It's a simple 3 ding sound and it's the same volume as any other ding or dong but rest assured the crew will know what it means in a heartbeat. On airbus aircraft the LCD screens and FAP screens also indicates the toilet.

Some smoke detectors are more sensitive than others so it just depends on how it has been configured. On the A380 deodorant and hairspray used to regularly set the detector off.

While it is stupid, I can understand why it still happens. Even though there are no smoking signs everywhere, the fact all our aircraft have ashtrays (as required by law to safely dispose of one in case someone does light up) can send a very confusing message in particular for first time travellers and non english speakers.

Generally anyone caught smoking won't be arrested, but a firm warning. 2nd offence you should probably expect a visit from the authorities on arrival.

While the waste bin does have tissues etc in it and a fire could easily be started, rest assured it also has a automatic fire extinguisher built above it that if a fire is detected it will discharge to put it out. Strangely on both Boeing and Airbus aircraft this extinguisher is not monitored or linked to the aircraft systems so only on the ground will an engineer completing his/her checks notice if one has been discharged.
 
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While it is stupid, I can understand while it still happens. Even though there are no smoking signs everywhere, the fact all our aircraft have ashtrays (as required by law to safely dispose of one in case someone does light up) can send a very confusing message in particular for first time travellers and non english speakers.

Yeah, I always go to the toilet to have a smoke. :confused:
 
While it is stupid, I can understand while it still happens. Even though there are no smoking signs everywhere, the fact all our aircraft have ashtrays (as required by law to safely dispose of one in case someone does light up) can send a very confusing message in particular for first time travellers and non english speakers.

Generally anyone caught smoking won't be arrested, but a firm warning. 2nd offence you should probably expect a visit from the authorities on arrival.

Whilst I can see where you're coming from with this argument, perhaps it may expose my lack of empathy, but I still believe that no one has any excuse whatsoever to light up on board, and nothing should change on the corporate side because there is no significant confusion that may send "mixed signals".

I can see your argument as to why someone may do it, but overall it is still 100% (alright, 99%) their stupidity. (Just like someone may rob a food store because they are hungry - the latter being the reason - doesn't mean it was right; shoplifting is a crime and the act having carried out relied solely on the stupidity of the offender).

Any traveller these days must be prepared to face the reality that the lingua franca on any airline (some select ones excluded for rather obscure reasons) will be English (and / or the airline's country's language). They have had to pass several hurdles as it is to actually get on board - some may be in English, some may be in the language of the airline. Yes, you can nod and not know a lot to get on board these days, but in saying that that is not a legal excuse. (Same thing behind signing a contract and not reading the terms, then feigning ignorance).

If I recall correctly, the QF safety briefing for flights to (and possibly from) HKG are announced in English and Cantonese, and subtitled in English and Cantonese Chinese. Unless the video was broken and a manual safety demo was done (in which case, the CSM would most probably only do it in English), I'm sure the video still has a message near the end that smoking is prohibited, and I'm sure this, too, is translated.

The no smoking sign (a cigarette with a cross-line (or even a 'X') through it) is so ubiquitous, I would highly doubt that anyone would be able to claim that they do not know what this means, much less a smoker. As if a first time traveller has not seen this sign before in a restaurant, at the airport, in some other public place... why would they see it on a plane and then decide to flout it? (Yes, I realise there are places in the world which have smoking regulations almost the direct inverse of what we are used to in Australia, but surely they still have some places apart from onboard aircraft where you cannot smoke).

As stated on the video, smoking is a fire hazard, and if anything more (at least these modern times) it is an amenity issue. That is why, with already a multitude of warnings about, I believe there should be no leniency for any offence, including the first, which should include mandatory detainment.
 
Addiction makes people do stupid things.

I can see your argument as to why someone may do it, but overall it is still 100% (alright, 99%) their stupidity. (Just like someone may rob a food store because they are hungry - the latter being the reason - doesn't mean it was right; shoplifting is a crime and the act having carried out relied solely on the stupidity of the offender).

you've sort of lost me on this. Smokers are stupid not addicted but shoplifters are hungry not stupid? I don't think the analogy works really. Rather than being stupid I would say that addiction is the reason, same as hunger, that resulted in a stupid act. :?:


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