IASC applications Pac Blue to coughet

[oz_mark]

Just having a look at some applications before the IASC. Couple of interesting ones:

Pacific Blue Airlines Pty Ltd (Pacific Blue) has applied to the Commission for an allocation of seven frequencies each way each week on the Thailand route.

...and...

Qantas Airways Limited has applied to the Commission for a variation to Determination [2007] IASC 116 to enable code sharing by Japan Airlines on Qantas' services on the Singapore route

(and also for QF to codeshare on JL flights from SIN to Japan)

see Applications and Other Matters Currently before the Commission

 

[dajop]

PER-HKT I assume, or would it be ex-DRW? I imagine 737-800 wouldn't have range to make any other major airports (other than BME, PHE etc).

 

[ANstar]

Or it could be DPS-HKT

 

[oz_mark]

PER-HKT I assume, or would it be ex-DRW? I imagine 737-800 wouldn't have range to make any other major airports (other than BME, PHE etc).

One of Pac Blues applications was for unlimited capacity to Indonesia, so I have a suspicion that the idea may be to build some sort of hub in Indonesia, much like JQ has in Darwin. So it may be (OzAirport)-DPS-HKT.

 

[docjames]

I think Oz_Mark may have hit the nail in the head there.

I preume the -800s arent going to make it eastcoast-HKT nonstop so a hub or transit point is inevitable (short of new a/c which financially isnt going to happen at this time, but they could utilise a 777 at some stage if growth occurs). Darwin would be a massacre with JQi there already.

I wonder also if they're considering DPS as a route into indonesia (given the country's reputation for poor airlines, if they can make inroads there eg hub into DPS then connect to Jakarta, Yogyakarta etc, they could tap a large expatriate / business market for flights into other parts of indonesia who wont fly / will stop flying indonesian carriers).

I dont also quite get where DJ are going with pacific blue and V australia - there's not enough differentiation in the mind of the marketplace (the number of people who call VA AND Pacific Blue "Virgin" anyway!) - they almost need to combine the two - they can still choose which a/c or routes have Y+/J seating.

 

[JohnK]

One of Pac Blues applications was for unlimited capacity to Indonesia, so I have a suspicion that the idea may be to build some sort of hub in Indonesia, much like JQ has in Darwin. So it may be (OzAirport)-DPS-HKT.

That sounds like it could well be the plan but wouldn't somethng like DRW-SIN-HKT be feasible on a 737-800 or do they need special permission to get landing rights into SIN?

 

[Clarke]

I dont also quite get where DJ are going with pacific blue and V australia - there's not enough differentiation in the mind of the marketplace (the number of people who call VA AND Pacific Blue "Virgin" anyway!) - they almost need to combine the two - they can still choose which a/c or routes have Y+/J seating.

I'm new here and slightly off-topic so you guys will probably hate me already haha but I just wanted to add my opinions on that paragraph above.

Personally, I see no reason in having all these seperate airlines and such. I think they should decide one name, and one name alone. I like the name V Australia more than Virgin Blue or Pacific Blue, and the livery more as well. If it were all rolled into the V Australia name i'd actually be really proud of them as an airline.

At the moment, i'm just worried and confused - all these news articles sending off mixed signals about how V Australia is expanding and Virgin Blue is being sucked into the recession.

Regardless, it would be great to see them, under whichever name, flying to Indonesia & Thailand sometime in the near future

 

[Mal]

I'm new here and slightly off-topic so you guys will probably hate me already haha but I just wanted to add my opinions on that paragraph above.

Welcome

Personally, I see no reason in having all these seperate airlines and such. I think they should decide one name, and one name alone. I like the name V Australia more than Virgin Blue or Pacific Blue, and the livery more as well. If it were all rolled into the V Australia name i'd actually be really proud of them as an airline.

There are contractual issues around the naming of various Virgin Blue subsidiaries. They can't use the "Virgin" name in any overseas flight, hence their creation of Pacific Blue originally for their overseas flights. Then a partnership with a government was formed to create Polynesian Blue.

Pacific Blue and Polynesian Blue were both unsuitable names to call their new off-shoot (which they're positioning in the market differently due to having Business, Premium Economy, meals in economy etc), so V Australia was chosen.

Yeah it's complex...

 

[Evan]

That sounds like it could well be the plan but wouldn't somethng like DRW-SIN-HKT be feasible on a 737-800 or do they need special permission to get landing rights into SIN?

No as i understand it SIN is open, no issues with rights etc. But expensive i guess, and an already full market.

I am more interested on the fact maybe QF will codeshare on JL SIN-NRT that would be nice. (For miles anyway)

 

[oz_mark]

No as i understand it SIN is open, no issues with rights etc. But expensive i guess, and an already full market.

I am more interested on the fact maybe QF will codeshare on JL SIN-NRT that would be nice. (For miles anyway)

They will be from June 1, according to this:

Qantas and Japan Airlines will expand their codeshare agreement to include services between Australia and Japan via Singapore from 1 June 2009.

Qantas Airlines Group Executive Commercial Mr Rob Gurney said the new Qantas codeshare services to Osaka and Tokyo via Singapore would provide customers with significantly improved options for travel between the two countries.

“The expanded codeshare arrangement will provide daily connecting flights at Singapore to Tokyo and Osaka from Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Perth,” Mr Gurney said.

Latest Qantas News

Probably should have a separate thread for this though....

 

[JohnK]

No as i understand it SIN is open, no issues with rights etc. But expensive i guess, and an already full market.

True it is a full market but I think DJ can attack JQ in two parts and do a great job. Firstly the direct JQ flights SYD-HKT will be in danger and it will leave the JQ CNS-DRW-SIN flights in limbo.

 

[Evan]

Artical in the paper today here about how well Jet* and Tiger have been doing in SIN with both increasing profits and revenue with Tiger indicating that they would like to accelerate there new plane orders...
Mentioned how much the GFC has affected SQ, CX, QF etc have they have had a downgrade of profits.

Of course this is SIN and a news paper so you can probably take the story with a whole bag of salt.

 

[dajop]

Artical in the paper today here about how well Jet* and Tiger have been doing in SIN with both increasing profits and revenue with Tiger indicating that they would like to accelerate there new plane orders...
Mentioned how much the GFC has affected SQ, CX, QF etc have they have had a downgrade of profits.

Of course this is SIN and a news paper so you can probably take the story with a whole bag of salt.

Wandering totally OT, it's actually interesting to compare the SIN short haul (<4 hr) market to the Australian domestic/Trans Tasman market. SQ seem to be holding out, still offering return fares cheaper than one ways and often with a single pricing point on those return fares. They don't seem to offer the range of fares that QF/DJ/NZ offer in the oz/TT market with varying conditions. And even when they have specials SQ usually only offer them "2 to go" without points at still 2 or 3x Tiger/Jetstar pricing. (Why bother??).

Being familiar with the Australian market, it's a real paradigm shift. I'd really welcome the DJ (or QF) model in SIN - points and loyalty on all fares and a range of one-way fares to suit various needs. Maybe the market here isn't sophisticated enough to cope with Red e-deals, Savers, Flexi-Savers and Full Fares! SO to bring it back to topic ...... I'd really love to see DJ flying (DRW-)SIN-HKT. It would be a great compromise between the TR/3K end of the spectrum and the SQ/QF end of the spectrum. Can't see it happening though, if they're going through DRW I'd imagine it would be direct to HKT.

 

[ANstar]

Pacific Blue have the go ahead for the DPS onward flights.

http://www.iasc.gov.au/determinations_decisions/files/2009/2009iasc107.pdf

3 x weekly DPS-HKT.

They now just need the Thailand route ok for the 7 weekly frequencies. Presumably the remaining 4 flights will be from PER?