I have the opposite of this 'Oenophobia' and need help!

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Oenophobia is the fear of wine. I definitely don't have this fear!

I have been doing my annual reconnoitring in my cellar and have calculated that I have more wine than I can drink in my lifetime (based upon a calcuation that I drink 3 bottles of wine a week and I live until I'm 100). But for some reason I just can't stop buying the stuff!

I'm especially prone to buying when I think that there's a good deal and there's definitely a fear of missing out feeling that's compelling this activity. And I also have a problem buying from new places that I visit. This could be a major problem in 2017 as I will be visiting Napa Valley and Toronto/Niagara Falls wine areas.

Any suggestions on:

1) How to curtail my buying practices.

2) How to get rid of my stock pile sooner.

Surely I can't be alone in admitting that I have too much wine...but what's the solution?
 
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First world problems!

So I'm guessing you have somewhere between 6000 and 10000bottles?????

WOW!
 

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First world problems!

So I'm guessing you have somewhere between 6000 and 10000bottles?????

WOW!

There's no attempt to boast here so I wont give a number, but I do have a ridiculous quantity.

A friend who owns a restaurant recently suggested a themed night around aged wine. Eg. a 1998 night or a 1990's night. I supply the wines for the night and they do the food. It's something that I think I have to seriously consider just as a way of reducing the stockpile. But at best I can see that only accounting for 20 to 30 bottles assuming 2 people per bottle.
 
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There's no attempt to boast here so I wont give a number, but I do have a ridiculous quantity.

A friend who owns a restaurant recently suggested a themed night around aged wine. I supply the wines for the night and they do the food. It's something that I think I have to seriously consider just as a way of reducing the stockpile. But at best I can see that only accounting for 20 to 30 bottles assuming 2 people per bottle.

Do you have multiples of the same wine? I.e. a case of a particular varietal/vintage. Maybe investigate selling some to recycle into improving the net quality of the overall collection?
 

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Auction some of it off via Langtons or similar??

If I thought that I'd get a fair price I'd consider it. But I think the best that I would get is 50% of what I paid for it.

If I die young I've no doubt my partner will dump the lot with Greys or Langtons as she does not drink wine. Either that or everyone at my wake will receive a case to take home with them.
 

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Could you swap with people?

EG: I give you the current release Penfolds BIN 389 for your 1990 Penfolds 389.
 
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Could you swap with people?

EG: I give you the current release Penfolds BIN 389 for your 1990 Penfolds 389.

As bad a deal as that sound like BettyB, it's something that I might actually consider.

Old for new as it were.

But it will only see the life time of the wine extended, it doesn't actually reduce the stockpile I have.
 

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3 bottles a week! Your not even trying ;-)

I'm seriously trying! And I'd like to enjoy the wine rather than scull it.

If I bump it to a bottle a day that would bring it closer to 20 years supply.

But is this my only solution!
 
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How about holding quarterly AFF Frequent Wine Lover tasting parties. I'm sure you'd get a good turnout of people who appreciate what's on offer. I would be more than happy to contribute financially to such events, to help defray the cost of the wine and any associated catering and cleanup.

Edit: Maybe that restaurant would be willing to host this for you.
 
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How about holding quarterly AFF Frequent Wine Lover tasting parties. I'm sure you'd get a good turnout of people who appreciate what's on offer. I would be more than happy to contribute financially to such events, to defray the cost of the wine and any associated catering and cleanup.

Edit: Maybe that restaurant would be willing to host this for you.

A nice new forum here Doc. Makes a refreshing change, but how many pages will it go for?
 

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Dr Ralph, I realised I had the same issue early this year, but not to the same extent!

And it was confirmed when I moved from a house with two cellars to a small unit with a storage cage in the car park last week! It took me two car trips in our large family car with all the seats down to lug the wine over. That collection takes up most of the 2 cubic metres we got! I suspect that is not a patch on your haul.

But realising I was buying way more than I drink (I only get through 1.5 bottles a week), I have very consciously and deliberately done the following since I came to that realisation:

1. organised wine events and get togethers where I could share some of the amazing purchases with people I know really appreciate fine wine (I know several people on this thread will attest to the good wines that have been shared in this way)

2. Stopped buying a bargain for a bargain's sake. I did that a lot in 2015. It's really hard. But I have managed to resist.

3. Instead, I am only buying the absolute best my money can buy, with minimal risk. It means I am going to miss some absolute gems on the risk issue. It means I have stopped buying from VinoMofo. But I don't care, I still get to drink 2 glasses of wine a night 5/6 times a week with my evening meal, and know its going to be a great wine. I (mostly) won't touch a wine now unless it has at least a 95 rating from at least two different wine critics I trust.

4. I share cases almost always now. I have developed a little racket in Sydney with a few close AFFers. I rarely take more than 2 or 3 of anything. It stops me accumulating more than I know I can drink, share or gift.

5. I gift a lot of wines. There's no point hoarding and letting a good wine go to waste when there is always family, friends and work colleagues (and for you and I, clients) who will appreciate a good bottle of wine. I love gifting and being generous.

6. I break the number one rule of Dr Ralph! I will drink the wine I buy early, in the middle as its developing and then one or two in the sweet spot. I love to see how a wine develops over time. It's part of the appeal of wine to me. And it helps me learn what I am drinking. And it keeps my numbers in storage down.

7. EDIT: I ought to add another thing that has kept me away from the chase of a wine deal too many - writing and learning about the wines I buy. You and I write for a living, so it's in our DNA that art of forming a view and articulating it eloquently. It's a great distraction from the buy buy buy threads, and is great fun.

I have been really strict with 2. and 3 this year. I am probably buying only one or two six packs a month, on average. I say average, as some months I don't buy anything and then others, I buy a fair amount as there are great deals on great wines that tend to come in waves (EOFY etc).

It will take me some time to get through the excess purchases, and it means I am drinking one bottle a week that I don't necessarily want to drink now (the bottle I have open for night 3 tonight is a case in point - the V&A Shiraz 2012 is a little young, but I have 6 to get through and many, many more 2012 bottles from different producers). But that's the consequence of buying too much young wine that I am never going to get through.

In terms of 6, I know you have said you have so much wine that you just don't need to do that. But I suspect you need a serious sell down to get back to what you'll actually consume within the lifespans of the wines you've got. For instance, if you have 100 98 vintage wines. I'm sure most of those by now will be on the decline unless they are the serious, serious long termers. So you may as well shift most of those that have peaked, even if you will be selling them at 50%. 50% of 90 bottles is better than 0% of 90 bottles, given your low consumption levels.

It sounds like you might also have an issue parting with your wine, if I have read you correctly. If that is the case, then I would suggest selling at least a third of your fine collection through Langtons or Greys (probably Langtons, as I suspect you have a lot of aged, decent stuff). It will be a good kick start, as you need a big jolt to change ingrained habits of simply buying, buying, buying. If you switched your online habits from scouring for the next best deal to selling at the next best price, then I suspect your buying would drop as your attentions were re-focused. I wouldn't do a mass auction of a portion of your collection as that will result in an artificial lowering of the prices (it did last year as Langtons go their hands on a large, good private collection). But a gradual sale down from your oldest first would be a good way to keep you away from the Dan's threads and the like.

As a young collector, starting out. I would really welcome the opportunity to buy from your collection, especially the older stuff and the hard to come by. I can't imagine I would be the only one. I doubt you would be losing any money given you seem to be the bargain hunter of the century and have collected much more than you have consumed! I know you are not allowed to profit from your purchases on AFF, but if you were putting up a list of excess stuff on the share a wine thread, and selling it at the Dr Ralph face value, then you would get many, many takers. If that's all too hard and public (or against the rules as its not a swap), then the Langtons option would be a good one.

I hope some of the above may help you. It certainly has helped me.

Wozza
 
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I'm seriously trying! And I'd like to enjoy the wine rather than scull it.

If I bump it to a bottle a day that would bring it closer to 20 years supply.

But is this my only solution!

By my calculation, you have about 7,300 bottles! I can also work out your age!
 

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Dr Ralph, I realised I had the same issue early this year, but not to the same extent!
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I hope some of the above may help you. It certainly has helped me.

Wozza

Wozza,

Appreciate your very detailed and considered response.

Something does have to happen as I just can't stop buying the stuff!





By my calculation, you have about 7,300 bottles! I can also work out your age!

I'm younger than you think :)
 
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Wozza,

Appreciate your very detailed and considered response.

Something does have to happen as I just can't stop buying the stuff!

Another 5 bottles purchased today!

I know most of us suffer from the curse of buying more wine that we need, but in all seriousness, with that much excess you have to ask yourself where the value is in those 5 new bottles, or any further bottles for that matter. I think the more you evaluate it, the more going cold turkey is going to make sense. With more wine that you can ever drink it's time to just sit back and enjoy, otherwise it'll just be a continual problem with no-win outcomes (e.g. spoiling, selling at a discount).
 
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Buy only ready to drink wines, spend more per bottle, but keep the annual spend the same.

Actually I think my Papa has a similar problem, at 86 he has (or at least I'm told he has) about 2000 bottles in his cellar, problem is the cellar is in France, I am going to check it out next year, we have a planned visit in April.
So I shall see what I can do to assist in reducing the burden he carries. :)
 

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