How QANTAS is destroying the One World business model

[Pmcallioni]

I wonder how long it will take for QANTAS's partner airlines in One World to work out that QANTAS have unilaterally destroyed the One World Business Model by altering the status credit award rules for flying with partner airlines. It used to be that QANTAS awarded ether same number of status credits regardless of which airline one chose. Now, if you fly with anyone other than QANTAS they give you one quarter of the status credits. How do I know this, because I wanted to go to Europe with BA in business class, but we were then given this advice. Immaterial to me because I am lifetime gold, but my wife is not yet at that level and and she needs her status credits to retain gold. I wonder how long it will be before other airlines I the alliance do the same to QANTAS frequent flyers.

 

[smit0847]

Oneworld is a loose agreement not a lawful obligation. Airlines can do what they like.

 

[dmitri]

You want more QF status credits, you fly QF. It makes sense from a business perspective, maybe not so much to the ticket buyers though.

 

[opusman]

How do I know this, because I wanted to go to Europe with BA in business class, but we were then given this advice.

Thanks so much for bringing this to our attention! No one on this forum had even noticed!

 

[Rapid]

Welcome to AFF

 

[Aussie_flyer]

Other airlines in oneworld (and any alliance ) offer more points on more fare buckets on their own metal on their own program too. Its a bummer but not unique to Qantas

 

[woodborer]

At the end of the day, there is much more to oneWorld than the fact they offer status earnings on each others services. To say this is destroying the oneWorld business model is pure hyperbole.

 

[JohnPhelan]

I wonder how long it will take for QANTAS's partner airlines in One World to work out that QANTAS have unilaterally destroyed the One World Business Model ....... I wonder how long it will be before other airlines I the alliance do the same to QANTAS frequent flyers.

Several of them already do!! It's certainly not unilateral on the part of QF. And anyway, the main reason you used to get full SCs on BA was because of the QF-BA joint venture, not oneworld.

 

[JohnK]

Doesn't each of the Oneworld airlines discriminate the same way?

 

[Himeno]

Now, if you fly with anyone other than QANTAS they give you one quarter of the status credits.

It's not a quarter, it's half. And full SCs if you book a QF codeshare.
It's still much better then it could be. Look at the big major JSA with EK. Fly on an EK code, get no status credits. Fly on the same flight with a QF code, get full credits.

It's not just Qantas. Some fare classes get credits/points to that airlines members and none for partners. Notable one some of the cheaper economy fares for CX and AA.

 

[dajop]

Move to Skyteam then, join Delta Skymiles and fly Korean .... your flights will not earn anything towards Skyteam status.

 

[trippin_the_rift]

Last time I checked you didn't need to fly qantas, or credit qantas flights to QFF. If you want to know what other frequent flyer programs pay for their partners you would be shocked. Seems to me the original poster has a problem with Qantas but I fail to see how using words like '...is destroying oneworld' achieves anything. If you want to fly BA to Europe why would you even consider the Qantas program? There are choices out there but I can't see how Qantas is doing any destroying of oneworld through these earn rates. Check flyora.com if you want to know how many points a flight will earn before you book it.

 

[andye]

Welcome to AFF.
The OP is new to the forum and is unpleasantly surprised by the Simpler & Fairer changes (as many people were when they were announced)
I'm not sure that OW is really a business with a model anyway. I like it for the shared lounge access, priority checkin and boarding, easy interlining and the ability to earn some points and SCs on each other's planes. For me, the changes have made me stop crediting flights to Qantas and fly with them a bit less (not that they will miss me). Having said that I've been impressed with all my interactions with QF and QFF this year

 

[Princess Fiona]

Several of them already do!! It's certainly not unilateral on the part of QF. And anyway, the main reason you used to get full SCs on BA was because of the QF-BA joint venture, not oneworld.

Which OW airlines (apart from QF) give 50% less Status Credits/Tier Points/ EQP's etc or points towards One World Status for premium cabin travel on OW partner airlines as opposed to their own airlines ?
BA - no
AA - no
CX - no

Of the big guns QF is way out on its own when it comes to paying lip service to OW.

As to the OP, no QF isn't destroying OW but it's sticking up two fingers and now turning a profit so it's obviously working for them if not for a subset of their QFF'ers

 

[samh004]

It used to be that QANTAS awarded ether same number of status credits regardless of which airline one chose. Now, if you fly with anyone other than QANTAS they give you one quarter of the status credits.

Have you seen how much Asia Miles/MPC awards when flying a red-e-deal?

Sometimes it can be a quarter or nothing at all. It's the same as Qantas might award on CX

I agree in premium fares the fact that still continues is an issue as PF has noted above. But especially with CX considering their strained relationship, it almost makes sense to make the gap wider to discourage travel in them, alliance or not.

 

[RooFlyer]

Welcome to AFF Pmcallioni. That's certainly one of the livelier first posts we have seen . As others have pointed out, what you complain of isn't new; we don't like it, but the business rationale is clear - "you want maximum benefits, fly on our code". Unfortunately they have extended it to routes where one cannot get a QF code - that's where it hurts.

I don't regard OneWorld as an alliance so much as a loose confederation of warring tribes.

 

[Himeno]

I don't regard OneWorld as an alliance so much as a loose confederation of warring tribes.

Must be very confusing and overlapping tribes...
AA gets along with everyone (except maybe QR at the moment). QF gets along with JL, AA and LA. Not so much CX and BA (stupid EK). Things could have gone much better with QF and MH when MH entered the alliance.

 

[RooFlyer]

Must be very confusing and overlapping tribes...
AA gets along with everyone (except maybe QR at the moment). QF gets along with JL, AA and LA. Not so much CX and BA (stupid EK). Things could have gone much better with QF and MH when MH entered the alliance.

I wouldn't stretch the analysis of the throw-away quip too far ....

 

[ReLoad]

Don't be crabby with the game and it's rules just learn them and be a better player of the game.

 

[DavBlayn]

In case anyone's curious, it's all spelled out on this table https://www.qantas.com.au/fflyer/dyn/flying/partner-status-credits